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The end of sprawl

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Re: The end of sprawl

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that the whole point of a self-driving car is that the passenger can pay no attention to the road. Else it's not self-driving.

Of course, but if you take some random people and put them on the road in a self driving car, most will pay attention out of nervousness/habit.

Tell that to Tesla's autopilot users..

Re: The end of sprawl

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I think sprawl will increase when self driving cars become a thing. Long commutes will be a lot more tolerable, parking a non issue, and the cost of owning a car could be reduced with self driving taxis or busses.

I think you overestimate the ability of self driving cars to make a long commute tolerable, since driving in a car for an hour (or more) each way is no fun even if someone else is driving. Getting quality work done is tough if you're at all prone to motion sickness while working on a computer in a moving vehicle, and it's hard to get in quality sleep even in a fully reclining seat. My wife and I commuted together (45…

Not true, when I uber into work (my commute is over 1 hr), it's like a dream come true. I can work, I can relax, I can get my life-admin tasks done with, etc. Right now it's completely wasted. When you commute with other people, it's also annoying because you need to socialize when most times I would rather do the above.

If I could get a self-driving car that worked competently, it would certainly make my commute so much more tolerable.

Re: The end of sprawl

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Where does the idea that you should spend 30% of your money on rent come from? I see it everywhere. Not that I'm questioning it in general, but does it ever change?

I spend 7% of take home on rent. Used to be about 17%, but now I've moved further out to a nicer area.

Re: The end of sprawl

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post #8

I support ending sprawl, but there are factors that drive people to it. (Perceived or real) * Quality of education for their children. * Privacy (space/sound insulation) * Nature (if you move far enough out, then wonder why wildlife 'invades') * Investment (housing shouldn't be, but it is; also rent is too high)

Sprawl is a reaction to land rents ( ala Ricardo ). It's really only bad in that it facilitates and encourages commuting. It could be at least partially addressed through the tax system - carbon taxes and land rents taxes combined would probably be enough.

Land rent taxes by themselves won't lower land rents that tenants have to pay. (They are exactly neutral, can't be passed on one way or another.)

But they do allow to lower other taxes, and shift incentives away from NIMBYism that is currently blocking denser developments.

Re: The end of sprawl

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Where does the idea that you should spend 30% of your money on rent come from? I see it everywhere. Not that I'm questioning it in general, but does it ever change?

Ten to fifteen percent is vastly better. It's doable but it's not that easy. You need a middling-good job in flyover country. That's the part that's not that easy - it's harder to justify a gig in flyover country by sheer ability. Companies on the downward slide towards Schumpeterian irrelevance just don't care and so don't bother them with the facts... IMO, this was what my ( Silent Generation ) parents used as a he…

Funny enough, if tax burdens are shifted from labour and capital to land, land rents will actually increase. (But that's because people will have more net income left to bid up land rents.)

Re: The end of sprawl

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post #32

The main thing I am looking for is privacy. I find that if I have access to private property big enough to take a short walk in nature, maybe a 10-20 minute walk, then my physical and cognitive health improves by huge amounts. When I lived in urban Boston, and I would go for long runs on the street and through parks, or I would use a rental car to go out to the Middlesex Fells for geocaching, it was like a poor basta…

Wouldn't it be great for you if everyone else moved to dense cities, so there'd be more nature left for you?

Re: The end of sprawl

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I'm curious how certain things fit into city living. Examples: Rockband the Game. You can't play that game in an apartment in the city without being a total dick to your neighbors. You can play it in a house in suburbia. Arguably the same is true for the home version of Dance Dance Revolution Another is room scale VR which pretty seems to demand owning a large enough place to have your VR room. Maybe some people can…

> You can't play that game in an apartment in the city without being a total dick to your neighbors.

What? Why? Just put on good soundproofing in your apartment. If you're living in the center, there's a good chance you already have old-school half a meter brick walls anyway.

Re: The end of sprawl

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post #8

I support ending sprawl, but there are factors that drive people to it. (Perceived or real) * Quality of education for their children. * Privacy (space/sound insulation) * Nature (if you move far enough out, then wonder why wildlife 'invades') * Investment (housing shouldn't be, but it is; also rent is too high)

> * Quality of education for their children.

It's an american thing, without any objective reason. As a teenager, I had to commute for an hour (one way) from a distant neighbourhood to a good high school in the city center.

Re: The end of sprawl

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post #66
post #32

The main thing I am looking for is privacy. I find that if I have access to private property big enough to take a short walk in nature, maybe a 10-20 minute walk, then my physical and cognitive health improves by huge amounts. When I lived in urban Boston, and I would go for long runs on the street and through parks, or I would use a rental car to go out to the Middlesex Fells for geocaching, it was like a poor basta…

Wouldn't it be great for you if everyone else moved to dense cities, so there'd be more nature left for you?

Ah, but then you can't have a job that lets you live near nature. Even most remote jobs (which have lots of other downsides, like stalling out career progress) require decent proximity to a major city or airport, and high-speed internet.

Re: The end of sprawl

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't it be great for you if everyone else moved to dense cities, so there'd be more nature left for you?

Ah, but then you can't have a job that lets you live near nature. Even most remote jobs (which have lots of other downsides, like stalling out career progress) require decent proximity to a major city or airport, and high-speed internet.

The denser the city, the closer we could have real nature close to the economic centre of the city.

Think of taking all the Bay Area, putting all the economic activity and people who want city living into a small area with 40 story towers, and the rest will be much more pleasant---with relatively easy commuting into the small core for the voluntary country bumpkins.

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