The Last Florida Indians Will Now Die: The Westward Plight of the Apalachee
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#2This really hit home for me though I don't particularly care for the retelling of history as if it was a movie. I understand the need to give perspective in order to understand the effect that Europe had on Native Americans both in north and south america. I always relate it to an invasive species that out matches the an ecosystem and doesnt curb its hunger because there is no reason to.
I find it particularly poetic how the Chief said with pride "We were the first Christian tribe". Christianity originating from the middle east with the new testimate being under European rule. Has been used countless times in europe to excuse genocide and invasion. Was brought by europeans under a guise of peace mission whom eventually went on to completely ravage two continents. Christianity even today is used to excuse persecution and oppress. Yet despite all of this, knowing it is not native gods and being on the brink of extinction and erasure from memory. He takes pride in the lasting faith in the tribe. And imagining him say those words I think of dedication and love.
Im sensitive about this because I feel like I would be consudered a necessary sacrifice or even entertaining to dominate/exploit. This particular board tends to attract alpha mentalities in the startup industry So Im curious on your thoughts
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#3I've always been upset at how those of us in the indigenous communities cling to Christianity as some absolving attribute. Land stolen, dignity stolen, labor stolen, and for some reason we seek refuge in a religion that was largely imposed on us.
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#4Because it helps to some degree I guess.
Also keep in mind that the lack of religion is statistically worse as shown by too many examples. :-/
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#5> Christianity even today is used to excuse persecution and oppress.
I guess that is totally fair as long as we also keep in mind that most of the biggest crimes against humanity were committed by proclaimed atheists.
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#6> Christianity even today is used to excuse persecution and oppress. I guess that is totally fair as long as we also keep in mind that most of the biggest crimes against humanity were committed by proclaimed atheists.
Except, of course, the genocide of Native Americans - which was done by self proclaimed Christians.
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#7Because it helps to some degree I guess. Also keep in mind that the lack of religion is statistically worse as shown by too many examples. :-/
1) Please cite your statistical evidence.
2) Non-christian does not mean non-religious. Indigenous communities the world over have their own religions.
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#8> Christianity even today is used to excuse persecution and oppress. I guess that is totally fair as long as we also keep in mind that most of the biggest crimes against humanity were committed by proclaimed atheists.
Except, of course, the genocide of Native Americans - which was done by self proclaimed Christians.
Doesn't refute my point that the fact that Christians as well as "Christians" oppressed the Indians were mostly coincidental; had Europeans been atheists the results would have likely been very much worse for the natives.
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#9Because it helps to some degree I guess. Also keep in mind that the lack of religion is statistically worse as shown by too many examples. :-/
1) Please cite your statistical evidence. 2) Non-christian does not mean non-religious. Indigenous communities the world over have their own religions.
> 1) Please cite your statistical evidence.
Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot; all of them worse than everything even the Catholic church ever did.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except, of course, the genocide of Native Americans - which was done by self proclaimed Christians.
Doesn't refute my point that the fact that Christians as well as "Christians" oppressed the Indians were mostly coincidental; had Europeans been atheists the results would have likely been very much worse for the natives.
I would love to know why you think atheists would have been worse.