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Re: Habits of highly mathematical people

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7. Being precise. The precision you hold yourself to through a rigorous approach to a problem is also very valuable and is the reason I think calculus is very important.

Calculus doesn't have any true rigour/precision. That's why it's not analysis.

Maybe that would be an imprecise term then? ;)

Re: Habits of highly mathematical people

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Couldn't this also be titled "Habits of high rational people", with mathematics simply being one application? I'm not a mathematician and was miserable at math in school, but I apply these habits in the business world every day. They help me cut through a lot of crap that comes from other people's sloppy/lazy thinking. >Anyone who has gone through an undergraduate math education has known a person (or been that perso…

> I'm not a mathematician and was miserable at math in school Maths in school is not really like the maths that mathematicians do.

Unless you have natural intuition or memorizing skills that make high school math easy for you, it's for many kids a negative experience due to the combination of a bad curriculum and teachers who are not skilled pedagogically. School math is the number one reason why so many kids learn to dislike it, and programming is the field that made me love and appreciate math for what it really is, while I didn't like it too much in school. With better teachers and curriculum I'm sure I would have appreciated it much earlier.

Re: Habits of highly mathematical people

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Couldn't this also be titled "Habits of high rational people", with mathematics simply being one application? I'm not a mathematician and was miserable at math in school, but I apply these habits in the business world every day. They help me cut through a lot of crap that comes from other people's sloppy/lazy thinking. >Anyone who has gone through an undergraduate math education has known a person (or been that perso…

Absolutely not. Highly rational people is not the same thing as mathematical.

It's why economists are terrible hedge fund managers and not mathematicians. It's why all these script kiddie programmers at silicon valley are terrible.

Tell me ... when you are mathematical, you cannot be wrong in all worlds.

Re: Habits of highly mathematical people

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Couldn't this also be titled "Habits of high rational people", with mathematics simply being one application? I'm not a mathematician and was miserable at math in school, but I apply these habits in the business world every day. They help me cut through a lot of crap that comes from other people's sloppy/lazy thinking. >Anyone who has gone through an undergraduate math education has known a person (or been that perso…

Nice spot on. The described qualities would also apply to philosophers, logicians, etc. I think a broader term would be, habits of highly "analytical" people.

I strongly disagree with the claim that philosophers fit this description. As a mathematician, it often seems to me that 90% of philosophy is spent arguing about things with extremely loose definitions. As a result, you can argue from the same starting point and come to completely different conclusions (as separate philosophers often do), because the starting point was already self-contradictory for some interpretations of the wording. As soon as you clearly define what you are talking about the problem usually becomes trivial.

For example, many of the moral dilemmas that get tossed around as interesting become trivial to answer once you give a mathematically rigorous definition to words like "good", "moral", "utilitarian" or whatever.

Re: Habits of highly mathematical people

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Couldn't this also be titled "Habits of high rational people", with mathematics simply being one application? I'm not a mathematician and was miserable at math in school, but I apply these habits in the business world every day. They help me cut through a lot of crap that comes from other people's sloppy/lazy thinking. >Anyone who has gone through an undergraduate math education has known a person (or been that perso…

I think this is answered in the first paragraph. The author is clearly giving an answer to "what is the point of learning mathematics?” There is nothing in the question or answer that implies non-mathematicians can't have these character traits.

Re: Habits of highly mathematical people

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not a mathematician and was miserable at math in school Maths in school is not really like the maths that mathematicians do.

True, but if you're not good at school math, I believe there is little hope you can be good at the style of math that mathematicians do...

This is not true at all. I know many people in mathematics that are below average when it comes to arithmetic, some to the point of suffering from dyscalcula. I myself am probably in at least the bottom quartile of arithmetic ability, and there have been quite a few historic examples of top mathematicians with a similar "problem", Hilbert being a common example.

There's a huge difference between reasoning about abstract statements and arithmetic calculation, even when it comes to abstract statements about arithmetic. I'm not saying there's no correlation, but the conditioned probability in the direction of bad at arithmetic => bad at mathematical reasoning is probably much lower than you'd expect.

At the very least, I'd encourage those that are bad at arithmetic to not assume they will be bad at mathematics or data science. If I had, I'd be much worse off and less happy than I am now with math in my life :)

Re: Habits of highly mathematical people

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Very good article. I might add that a further pitfall in being "highly mathematical" is when you assume that the person you are communicating with is also "highly mathematical" and therefore has similar habits. That's not true MOST OF THE TIME and can lead therefore to severe misunderstandings.

True. It can be very frustrating for people when their "fuzzy-logic" (for lack of a better word coming to mind) is not accepted as a proof and they don't see how it isn't iron-clad. Fuzzy-logic gets us through most of everyday life with minimal mental burden, and so is definitely useful, but it doesn't hold up in an argument where you're trying to prove something. It can also go the other way though; some topics are inherently fuzzy, and trying to impose rigour on them just ends up wasting everyone's time and leaves nobody convinced.
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