My only concern is around the lack of ability for businesses to respond or request any level of verification that a person actually did business with them. The BBB at least contacts the business and oversees a process for resolution (documenting the entire thing). I personally know multiple business owners who've dealt with threats from customers who will go and write a bad review if they don't simply bow to demands.…
> There are far too many businesses who've been open 10+ years with thousands of customers that have never felt the necessity to leave a review. I wonder what could be a good way to incentivise this. If I like a restaurant, I'll go back multiple times. At most, I may leave a good review once. If I go to a bad place, I'm more likely to leave a bad review. Maybe businesses could integrate a "did business here $x amount…
Protecting Free Speech: Why Yelp Is Marking Businesses That Sue Their Customers
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Re: Protecting Free Speech: Why Yelp Is Marking Businesses That Sue Their Customers
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like an obvious thing for Amazon to check out then ban all reviews and or products on these services.
A few problems. Banning products: Companies could knock out competing products by starting a "false flag" review campaign that Amazon eventually discovers. Banning reviews: It can be legitimate to provide samples of products for people to review and helps encourage competition, it's more about the method of the approach. The best approach is if Amazon just facilitated the whole approach to ensure integrity. I think t…
Banning reviews: No it's not legitimate. Customer reviews are useful specifically because they are by people that thought the service might be worth while. If you can't afford a 911 or don't like the way it looks then your opinion is not meaningful.
From amazon's perspective review integrity is expensive but so is giving up. As a customer it feels like they gave up a while ago which opens them up to competitors.
EX: Newegg is where you buy video cards not Amazon.
Re: Protecting Free Speech: Why Yelp Is Marking Businesses That Sue Their Customers
#83I think one of the things Yelp has caused (or, perhaps, needs to cause) is a change in consumer behavior related to bad reviews. I've learned, over the years, to disregard certain kinds of bad reviews[0] or not choose to avoid a company because it has a small number of poor reviews. The Internet reminds of me of driving. Most people will scream at another driver for cutting them off on a merge -- assuming the driver…
My analogous example to your hotel:bed bugs is Chinese restaurants:service. I've been to enough Chinese restaurants in my life to know what to expect. Unless the reviews show a particularly unusual pattern, I'm ignoring that complaint.
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#84As a SLAPP victim, Yelp's decision to punch-down against a pet-sitting business is a slap in my face. A few years back I was sued by a chain of business for $2 Million. These were private-equity financed businesses which serially sue customers, as I later verified using public records search. I complained to Yelp, to no avail. I went to a lawyer who told me that they have a lot of cash in the bank and that I don't wa…
Re: Protecting Free Speech: Why Yelp Is Marking Businesses That Sue Their Customers
#851. Let anyone comment on other people's comments - like HN or Reddit, with similar reputation (points) and up/downvotes.
Right now, unless an owner monitors and responds to every negative comment, there's no recourse for being unreasonable or flat-out inaccurate. Even when an owner does so, the recourse is minimal. Let any other Yelp user reply, turning each comment into a thread.
2. When someone posts a 1- or 2-star review, show a second, required comment field for "What happened when you informed the retailer?"
If someone is served a meal they don't like and says nothing at the time, they skipped a - the - critical step. While there are cases where a low review could be justified without ever giving the retailer a chance to address the perceived problem (like if someone showed up twice during posted business hours and the retailer was closed), they cause fewer than 10% of 1- and 2-star ratings and they're easy to explain. Otherwise, the minimum for a negative review to be constructive is having informed the retailer (and let them try to address it).
Re: Protecting Free Speech: Why Yelp Is Marking Businesses That Sue Their Customers
#86Re: Protecting Free Speech: Why Yelp Is Marking Businesses That Sue Their Customers
#87I think one of the things Yelp has caused (or, perhaps, needs to cause) is a change in consumer behavior related to bad reviews. I've learned, over the years, to disregard certain kinds of bad reviews[0] or not choose to avoid a company because it has a small number of poor reviews. The Internet reminds of me of driving. Most people will scream at another driver for cutting them off on a merge -- assuming the driver…
What you describe in your second paragraph is a general phenomenon called the fundamental attribution error: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error It's definitely helpful to keep in mind.
I had a boss about a decade ago that, during a really tense situation at my last job involving a false report of an application of mine suffering from a serious security vulnerability[0], said to me: "Where there are gaps of understanding, people jump to the worst possible conclusion." It was demonstrated so well during the follow-up meeting (where my application was exonerated and the friendship remained) that I took it to heart and made it a sort-of life mission. When something goes wrong, people assume the absolute worst but, as the Fundamental Attribution Error "bias" points out, we judge others by a different set of rules than we judge ourselves.
If we assume that others are generally operating without malice as we assume ourselves to be, a whole lot of conflict is avoided.
[0] We had an app that was on a hardened box and had asked security to audit it. The person who audited it didn't read that message and logged into the box due to another reason. He was then shocked that this box was able to connect to all of our infrastructure (for audit purposes) and he was still able to log in (we gave him explicit permissions to do so). He changed the configuration (without any notification) causing the application to stop and reporting to fail, then tried to get it all shut down. We went into a meeting, angry, under the perception that security was trying to kill this app because they preferred their own (which didn't meet our needs) and he went in assuming we were trying to be devious because our hardened configuration made it impossible for their auditing tool to audit the app. We were both wrong.
Re: Protecting Free Speech: Why Yelp Is Marking Businesses That Sue Their Customers
#88If Yelp put accuracy and completeness ahead of # of reviews, they'd have already made 2 changes: 1. Let anyone comment on other people's comments - like HN or Reddit, with similar reputation (points) and up/downvotes. Right now, unless an owner monitors and responds to every negative comment, there's no recourse for being unreasonable or flat-out inaccurate. Even when an owner does so, the recourse is minimal. Let an…
Re: Protecting Free Speech: Why Yelp Is Marking Businesses That Sue Their Customers
#89As a SLAPP victim, Yelp's decision to punch-down against a pet-sitting business is a slap in my face. A few years back I was sued by a chain of business for $2 Million. These were private-equity financed businesses which serially sue customers, as I later verified using public records search. I complained to Yelp, to no avail. I went to a lawyer who told me that they have a lot of cash in the bank and that I don't wa…
Is it because they didn't jump to it and lay down the massive cash it would have taken to defend you? Do they somehow owe you? Do they dance to your tune?
An allegory:
As a fire victim, the town's decision to form a firefighter team is a slap in my face. A few years back my house caught fire. The mayor wouldn't organize to put it out so I was on my own.
Re: Protecting Free Speech: Why Yelp Is Marking Businesses That Sue Their Customers
#90>the Consumer Review Fairness Act, prohibits inclusion of gag clauses in consumer form contracts
Won't that just lead to some businesses asking you (in a sneaky way that you don't realize unless you read several pages of legalese) to sign an NDA?