Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Angular 2 Fundamentals Course

courses.angularclass.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

31–40 of 120 posts

Re: Angular 2 Fundamentals Course

#31

Post by devuo »

savanaly wrote: post #14
taesu wrote: post #3

I heard angular is a framework and react is lib. angular 2 or react. Coming from nodejs, python, php, jquery experience which should I learn?

Angular for job opportunities, react for more pleasant and forward looking web development practices.

Er.. https://github.com/angular/angular-cli

1. Open terminal

2.

> npm install -g angular-cli

> ng new app

> ng serve

4. Use the cli tool to generate components/pipes/services/etc., build, test, develop

5. Profit.

Find a more blissful and joyful experience than this in react land?

Re: Angular 2 Fundamentals Course

#32

Post by troncheadle »

clivestaples wrote: post #28
hugozap wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What in particular about JSX makes it messy compared to vue? Messy template code can happen in both.

Vue templates support conditional rendering (v-if/v-show/v-else) which I didn't realize I missed until using them. Also, conventions around component data are really nice and help keep markup tidy and very readable. I like to think of Vue as React with sensible conventions. That said, both are terrific and solve UI problems very elegantly.

React handles conditional rendering better imo. You use regular JS instead of having to learn a new API. You can use control logic in your render methods to great effect.

Re: Angular 2 Fundamentals Course

#33

Post by pauljaworski »

hugozap wrote: post #27
skrowl wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Angular is a more full featured than React by itself. To get React to equivalent features you have to add on (and learn) several other things (Redux, WebPack, etc, etc). As a bonus, there are lots of different conflicting flavors-of-the-week for things to use with React to build out your stack, so whichever you pick to go with React might not be cool next week.

This is not accurate. You don't need to learn Redux or WebPack to use React. With Angular you also need a build process so you can use gulp or WebPack. Maybe there's a pre baked process but you still need to know some build tool. Because React doesn't care about how you manage your state, you can use Redux or other solutions. Not because they are cool , but because it fits your needs.

> To get React to equivalent features

That's the key part you ignored in your response.

Re: Angular 2 Fundamentals Course

#34

Post by ausjke »

kimshibal wrote: post #7
taesu wrote: post #3

I heard angular is a framework and react is lib. angular 2 or react. Coming from nodejs, python, php, jquery experience which should I learn?

Ignore both. Learn vue.js to get shit done.

Wordpress goes with react, drupal picks angular2, and laravel favors vuejs.

This is no surprise, wordpress is extremely popular these days for all users, a huge angular2 client framework might be an overkill for many of its users. Drupal on the other hand is doing the more complicated websites, and its "ordinary" user base is shrinking, so angular2 might attract enterprise users.

Laravel is arguably the most popular PHP framework today, choosing vuejs as its client framework gave vuejs a strong boost for sure.

Re: Angular 2 Fundamentals Course

#35

Post by RussianCow »

hugozap wrote: post #27
skrowl wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Angular is a more full featured than React by itself. To get React to equivalent features you have to add on (and learn) several other things (Redux, WebPack, etc, etc). As a bonus, there are lots of different conflicting flavors-of-the-week for things to use with React to build out your stack, so whichever you pick to go with React might not be cool next week.

This is not accurate. You don't need to learn Redux or WebPack to use React. With Angular you also need a build process so you can use gulp or WebPack. Maybe there's a pre baked process but you still need to know some build tool. Because React doesn't care about how you manage your state, you can use Redux or other solutions. Not because they are cool , but because it fits your needs.

I think the overall point that you have to fill in the gaps yourself still stands, though. Angular just comes with way more features than React does, so if you want an equivalent experience, you have to use third-party libraries with React, which increases the amount of things you have to learn. Not that this is entirely a bad thing, but you can't really compare bare React to bare Angular and say they're equivalent.

Re: Angular 2 Fundamentals Course

#36

Post by HillRat »

taesu wrote: post #3

I heard angular is a framework and react is lib. angular 2 or react. Coming from nodejs, python, php, jquery experience which should I learn?

My experience is that Angular 2 is a great solution for enterprise-style shops who are looking for an all-in framework. With React, you benefit from greater flexibility outside the view layer, but ... well, you also suffer from greater flexibility outside the view layer.

In general, I'd say that the more comfortable you are with current FEAD practices and toolchains, the more power you'll get out of a React-based architecture. The more you want something that "just works" and has already made many architectural decisions for you, give ng2 a shot.

Re: Angular 2 Fundamentals Course

#37

Post by clivestaples »

troncheadle wrote: post #32
clivestaples wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vue templates support conditional rendering (v-if/v-show/v-else) which I didn't realize I missed until using them. Also, conventions around component data are really nice and help keep markup tidy and very readable. I like to think of Vue as React with sensible conventions. That said, both are terrific and solve UI problems very elegantly.

React handles conditional rendering better imo. You use regular JS instead of having to learn a new API. You can use control logic in your render methods to great effect.

I definitely agree that React is clean for the reasons you state and I always enjoy building UIs with it. I suppose my comment was just a reflection on the differences that I found refreshing - to my surprise.

Re: Angular 2 Fundamentals Course

#38

Post by ausjke »

sdegutis wrote: post #6

Interesting coincidence. This week I've been tasked with looking into a JavaScript framework to replace our pure-Clojure stack at work. One of the front-end candidates is Angular. But we're considering cutting it from the race. The three main things we're looking for in a front-end framework: 1. Longevity: we don't want to adopt yet another fad framework that we'll have to replace in 2017. The current trend looks to…

sails + vuejs + postgresql will be my choice.

Re: Angular 2 Fundamentals Course

#39

Post by whatever_dude »

sdegutis wrote: post #6

Interesting coincidence. This week I've been tasked with looking into a JavaScript framework to replace our pure-Clojure stack at work. One of the front-end candidates is Angular. But we're considering cutting it from the race. The three main things we're looking for in a front-end framework: 1. Longevity: we don't want to adopt yet another fad framework that we'll have to replace in 2017. The current trend looks to…

Can't comment on 2 and 3, but for 1... I'd say it's the opposite. I believe the Angular team took a long, hard look at what was working with React (and others) and that's why they decided to take their time to get Angular 2 right.

If anything, React-* is the stack that has a longevity problem from my point of view. Everything I do on the web I use React, and my impression is that even if I'm using a modern stack, everything breaks 6 months later because things have changed considerably. Many of the extensions React naturally need either fall out of fashion, or go through deep changes, or are just not that good. On every new project I assemble, I start from the assumption the architecture will be outdated very fast.

I hope Angular will make that kind of stuff a bit more solidified. We don't need a new store solution on every new project.

Re: Angular 2 Fundamentals Course

#40

Post by datihein »

HillRat wrote: post #36
taesu wrote: post #3

I heard angular is a framework and react is lib. angular 2 or react. Coming from nodejs, python, php, jquery experience which should I learn?

My experience is that Angular 2 is a great solution for enterprise-style shops who are looking for an all-in framework. With React, you benefit from greater flexibility outside the view layer, but ... well, you also suffer from greater flexibility outside the view layer. In general, I'd say that the more comfortable you are with current FEAD practices and toolchains, the more power you'll get out of a React-based arc…

What does "FEAD" mean?
Post reply on HN