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Xiaomi’s first laptop is a Macbook Air rival

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I was hoping Xiaomi would also launch a version with Ubuntu as the default OS. An i5, 8GB DDR4 Ram, 256GB SSD, backlit keyboard and 10 hours battery backup at $750 sounds like a sweet deal. I know Ubuntu can still be installed on the Windows version, but I expect it to be a hacky path with installation issues, getting the hardware to play nice and the backlit keyboard to work, and finally maybe even battery life issu…

There already is one. It is called the Dell Chromebook 13. I have posted about it here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11506203 .

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You don't get that something proprietary was stolen and the creators are upset? From a software perspective you can't imagine how you'd feel if a critical piece of your business software was reversed engineered and copied by a competitor? An example might be finance and low latency trading. Or an ML / AI breakthrough. Or anything on the fringe still providing a competitive advantage and not a solved problem on Github…

> From a software perspective you can't imagine how you'd feel if a critical piece of your business software was reversed engineered and copied by a competitor? Definitely, could definitely understand if it was about money/business. But that is never mentioned when designers get angry about their designs being stolen. I think it's not about money/business. I think it's a different mindset where a "stolen" design deva…

I think the substantive difference may be that a design isn't a standard or a protocol or a shared library or even just open source code; it's not, unless the designer explicitly chooses to make it so, a common resource. If you take my kind of crappy Python scripts for turning Markdown files into an ePub and make them less crappy, you're taking something I released as open source and making it better. If you take my web site design and reproduce it on yours, though, you're not improving on something I've intended to share. You're just saying, in effect, "Hey, that looks cool, so I'm taking it." I may not be particularly bothered by it, depending on context, but I might have put an awful lot of work into that to craft a specific--and hopefully unique--look for my site. You didn't put any more work into your site beyond what it took to copy my work. In effect, I've done design work for you without compensation or credit.

In Xiaomi's case, what they're doing is, more or less, that last bit: the only work they're putting into their designs is the work necessary to make them look like somebody else's designs, expressly because the designs they're copying are successful in the marketplace. If I was a designer they copied I wouldn't be very thrilled by that. Money definitely plays into that, but credit for the design work is a big part, too.

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Other than the white color, they actually look different to me. That said, I can show you two editors which look completely alike. I hope you feel the same about them. Imagine if I said: Atom is such a rip off and the sublime guy must be feeling that GitHub is lazy and a thief. I wonder if GitHub compensated the sublime author who is a small indie dev! http://cache.filehippo.com/img/ex/2794__Sublime_text_2_1.png http…

> Imagine if I said: Atom is such a rip off and the sublime guy must be feeling that GitHub is lazy and a thief. Edit: my original comment wasn't very constructive. My issue with the analogy is that Xiaomi openly copies the design of competing products that have gained success, at least in part, due to having differentiated designs. Usually they copy without providing even incremental innovation or product differenti…

Parent comment gave screenshots and claimed things are copied. I am also giving two screenshots and telling you that those are copied. What is the point I am missing?

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Apple literally redefined what a smart phone is. While he borrowed design cues from history, Braun in particular, applying that to the phone space and coming up with a design language that had durability was a big breakthrough. Remember in 2006 Nokia, Motorola, RIM and others made literally everything but rectangular phones. They were covered in buttons and other crap. Ive's vision of a virtually button free phone wa…

The Sony Ericsson P800/P900/P910 had a removable keypad making them effectively rectangular phones. The Neonode N1 had a touch driven interface, including the slide to unlock feature. Then there were PDAs like Sony Clie PEG-TH55. All this a couple of years before the iPhone. The reason phones didn't look like rectangles wasn't because no one had the idea, but because screens were expensive and touch technology (and o…

This post should be marked as reference anytime some Apple-zealot brings the "Apple invented everything under the sun" argument.

Don't get me wrong: Apple deservingly got tons of credits (literally, in their bank accounts) for the combination of great hardware/software/ui design/marketing of the past 10 years. They still do.

But their success means that just like Jony Ive got "inspired" by Braun, Apple is not inspiring everybody else.

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Usually they've caved in to the conventions of the market (iOS notifications) or missing features (F.lux). The amount of blatant theft seems minimal. They usually put their own spin on things to differentiate somehow. Even Microsoft has gone its own way with Windows after some heavy overlap with MacOS and other windowing systems (DESQview in partcular). Windows 3.1 was more different, and Windows 95 borrowed more hea…

> The amount of blatant theft seems minimal This is pure conjecture, but every company does it. My point was let's not act like Apple is innocent and does not.

Sweeping generalizations like this aren't helpful when the degree to which these things occur is extremely important.

Xiaomi has built its entire company on blatant theft of designs. Let's not say "oh, it's okay because Apple once did X" which is like saying murder is no different from a speeding ticket since both things are illegal.

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This quote from Jony Ive really made me feel for the guy: “When you’re doing something for the first time, you don’t know it’s going to work. You spend seven or eight years working on something, and then it’s copied. I have to be honest, the first thing I can think, all those weekends that I could have at home with my family but didn’t. I think it’s theft, and it’s lazy.” Xiaomi have done this to others. Their new ai…

Well, The value of that quote is directly proportional to what you think about Ive's work. Personally, I don't happen to think its all that great.

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> The amount of blatant theft seems minimal This is pure conjecture, but every company does it. My point was let's not act like Apple is innocent and does not.

Sweeping generalizations like this aren't helpful when the degree to which these things occur is extremely important. Xiaomi has built its entire company on blatant theft of designs. Let's not say "oh, it's okay because Apple once did X" which is like saying murder is no different from a speeding ticket since both things are illegal.

True, but throughout history Apple has done this plenty. They have never been first to market with a product.

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Extremely so. My current (and only) working solution is to disable the Nvidia GPU on a host and use it PCIe passthrough to assign it to another Linux or Windows VM. That's the only stable solution that doesn't break the world when enabling/disabling the discrete GPU. We shouldn't have to revert to such extreme measures...

At the moment my only two issues with Optimus are that they crash X on wakeup if loaded, and that DPMS doesn't seem to disable properly after the screensaver ends. For the earlier you can add an a suspend hook to unload the nvidia modules, and for the latter you just need to switch to a tty and back to get the screen working again. Both are somewhat annoying, but far less than only being able to use it in a VM. That…

I normally run the GPU headless for machine learning. In the rare case I need to access the desktop shell of the VM, I just connect via Chrome Remote Desktop.

In the even rarer case that I wish to play a game, I have an HDMI connection between the GPU and my projector, which I can enable with a remote control.

Learning how to use qemu is a bit of a pain (hint: use qemu directly, virus is a huge waste of time) but after the initial learning curve the setup is seamless for my use case - and I feel safer without the GPU drivers having access to my normal desktop. I much prefer this setup to dual-booting Windows for gaming. The VM spins up in a few seconds and shuts down when not in use (turning off the GPU in the process).

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This quote from Jony Ive really made me feel for the guy: “When you’re doing something for the first time, you don’t know it’s going to work. You spend seven or eight years working on something, and then it’s copied. I have to be honest, the first thing I can think, all those weekends that I could have at home with my family but didn’t. I think it’s theft, and it’s lazy.” Xiaomi have done this to others. Their new ai…

I don't know if he actually said that but isn't all innovation incremental? I understand he put his heart and soul into it, but there has been tons of people who have worked equally hard before him to get to where he got (Apple itself copied it's UI from Xerox). Apple has also blatantly copied and consumed many companies in the past. There is so much code copied around these days. This is all just the way it is and h…

Apple's UI and the UI from the Alto are while conceptually similar (insomuch as any two cars are conceptually similar), not even in the same family, in look, feel or user interaction - its a bit like comparing a Model T with a 39 Ford - while both are cars, the controls work in pretty dissimilar manners.

Alto: http://s7.computerhistory.org/is/image/CHM/500004657-03-01?$...

Lisa: http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/apple-lisa2xl/ap...

Mac System 1: http://applemuseum.bott.org/sections/images/screenshots/syst...

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