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Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change

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Re: Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change

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Post by r_smart »

colordrops wrote: post #170
r_smart wrote: post #98

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No true hippy?

Whatever the semantics and supposed logical fallacy, there are multiple groups of people that are categorized by the mainstream as "hippies", even though some of them are opposite in many ways.

I was referring to Woodstock, largely considered the high-water mark in hippy culture and my experience with hippies in my personal life when I was close to the group. You decided neither of those groups are hippies, though I have no idea what criteria you used to make that determination, or why you think it's accurate.

Re: Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change

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Post by gaius »

yequalsx wrote: post #157
gaius wrote: post #64

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Making the "save the world for my kids " argument particularly ironic.

It's not at all ironic since I'm not advocating that there be no children.

The poster above says I have no doubt that climate change is a problem. I have kids

Well, duh, that's why.

Re: Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change

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Post by Mz »

cconcepts wrote: post #9

I have no doubt that climate change is a problem. I have kids, I dont want to give them a hospital pass. I've tried to stop living such a carbon dependant lifestyle but I look outside and my efforts feel futile. How do I REALLY do something about this other than a few pretentious yet barely discomforting lifestyle changes and the odd empassioned few sentences at dinner parties? Start pushing for a carbon tax? Start a…

Walk more as a means to get around, not just for exercise. Wear normal street clothes and walk to a nearby store, walk to an eatery for lunch or whatever you can reasonably manage.

I gave up my car some years ago. The internet advised me that I did not live in a walkable neighborhood, even though I lived about as close to my job as was possible and there were three or four shopping centers within a 20 minute walk of my apartment. I began walking to work and I and my sons began walking to get groceries and do other shopping.

The entire neighborhood began walking more. The cops stopped staking out my apartment complex. The vegetation in the area got visibly healthier.

Walk more and set the example. I have seen this make a real difference in multiple neighborhoods.

Re: Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change

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Post by Oletros »

cpncrunch wrote: post #161
radiorental wrote: post #136

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What drought? it rained in my town today.

Ok, I see you were being sarcastic, saying that what happens in my hometown has no relevance. I guess you didn't read the rest of my comment...as well as my personal anecdote (which was probably bad to put on HN), I put actual science. If you look at the data for New York, Miami, Los Angeles, and various other cities across the US, you'll see that temperatures have been exactly average for June and July. So, I'm just…

>I guess a small amount above average temperatures just isn't noticeable in the average temperature graphs.

From your link

> The worldwide ocean surface temperature during June 2016 was 0.77°C (1.39°F) above the 20th century average, the highest global ocean temperature for June in the 137-year record.

0.77C is not a small amount

Re: Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change

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Post by chx »

vkou wrote: post #104
chx wrote: post #14

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Aye but predictions are necessary. If there's a 4C global temperature rise that displaces 760M people. To put this into perspective, about 1M migrants in a year almost collapsed Europe's political system. We need to know how quick that happens so we can begin to do something. Dam, evacuate etc.

More likely, we will cover the borders with barbed wire, and machineguns.

The borders of what? Omaha? New York, DC, Los Angeles, Seattle and 'Frisco are (at least partially) gone.

Re: Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change

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Post by cpncrunch »

Oletros wrote: post #174
cpncrunch wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, I see you were being sarcastic, saying that what happens in my hometown has no relevance. I guess you didn't read the rest of my comment...as well as my personal anecdote (which was probably bad to put on HN), I put actual science. If you look at the data for New York, Miami, Los Angeles, and various other cities across the US, you'll see that temperatures have been exactly average for June and July. So, I'm just…

>I guess a small amount above average temperatures just isn't noticeable in the average temperature graphs. From your link > The worldwide ocean surface temperature during June 2016 was 0.77°C (1.39°F) above the 20th century average, the highest global ocean temperature for June in the 137-year record. 0.77C is not a small amount

>0.77C is not a small amount

It is in the context I was using (the accuweather graphs). If you have a look, you'll see that 0.77C is not noticeable.

Re: Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change

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Post by radiorental »

cpncrunch wrote: post #176
Oletros wrote: post #174

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>I guess a small amount above average temperatures just isn't noticeable in the average temperature graphs. From your link > The worldwide ocean surface temperature during June 2016 was 0.77°C (1.39°F) above the 20th century average, the highest global ocean temperature for June in the 137-year record. 0.77C is not a small amount

>0.77C is not a small amount It is in the context I was using (the accuweather graphs). If you have a look, you'll see that 0.77C is not noticeable.

So your argument centers around looking at non scientific data and coming to a different conclusion.

Re: Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change

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Post by Declanomous »

hiou wrote: post #123
Declanomous wrote: post #101

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As far as I'm aware flying generates fewer greenhouse gas emissions than any either trains, cars or buses over long distances. (At least in the US, where our rail infrastructure is freight-centric and diesel powered.) The argument against flying is that the greenhouse gas emissions end up high up, which could contribute to the greenhouse gas effect. However, long distance passenger trains in the US reduce the freight…

A solo ride in a car could be worse than a full plane on a cross country trip. But a train or bus is typically(there may be some edge cases) going to be much better than an airplane. Also, long distance passenger trains absolutely do not reduce freight transport. They lease the the use of the tracks which provides additional income to the freight carriers and the freight carriers have right of way at all times on the…

>Did you just randomly make this stuff up? It is completely false information.

You are the one who is misinformed. Railroad operators are required to give access to Amtrak as part of a deal that allowed them to cancel long-distance passenger service. They would much rather not give access to Amtrak in the first place. Furthermore Amtrak is supposed to have priority over freight trains, however Amtrak is at the mercy of the dispatchers of the railroad whose lines they are travelling over.

The Northeast corridor is completely owned by Amtrak. Outside of that area, there are no electrified long distance passenger services in the United States. Outside of the Northeast corridor, flying is a much greener option than taking a train.

Re: Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #116
akiselev wrote: post #111

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And the Morning Strawman Award goes to... drum roll ... CWuestefeld. If it's anthropogenic then it is a brand new phenomena in geological time and will throw many ecological systems into disarray or destroy them completely because they never evolved the adaptations. If it's not anthropogenic, then no big deal this is a regular cyclical warm period that the Earth goes through naturally. If it's a natural cycle that we…

If it's not anthropogenic, then no big deal this is a regular cyclical warm period that the Earth goes through naturally. Your conclusion doesn't follow. Just because man didn't create it [1] doesn't mean that it's necessarily cyclical. The earth has changed in many ways in its lifetime. Some of those changes are indeed parts of cycles. Other changes are strictly one-way. [1] hypothetically; I'm not actually making t…

Even if it is cyclical that doesn't matter. What matters is if the change is good for humanity. If it is, let the change happen. If it's not (evidence overwhelmingly points this way) then we should be trying to stop the change, even if it's natural.

Re: Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change

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Post by cpncrunch »

radiorental wrote: post #177
cpncrunch wrote: post #176

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>0.77C is not a small amount It is in the context I was using (the accuweather graphs). If you have a look, you'll see that 0.77C is not noticeable.

So your argument centers around looking at non scientific data and coming to a different conclusion.

No. I asked a question and answered it myself. I come to the same conclusion.
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