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Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

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I think you hinted at the real reason: Location. Stackoverflow is largely based out of NYC, so their salaries are going to be based on that starting point. The average developer salary in the US is $80K but when you start going state by state you can see that NYC/California/et al are throwing that figure WAY off.

This is correct. Outside of the big two hotbed areas, developers are definitely NOT being paid in the hundreds of thousands. When you factor in the NYC/California cost of living tax, you're not actually coming out that far ahead. The experience gained is obviously the big benefit however.

Depends— if you're a single adult in NYC, a decent bedroom in a share can be had for $1000 with heat and gas included (and that's also a normal way of living for successful adults), and one doesn't need a car, so bills needn't be that high. Transport is either an unlimited Metrocard paid pre-tax or provided free by your employer, or a bicycle— so that's around $70/month, plus whatever you want to pay for cabs (but rarely need to). The upper limit on entertainment costs is extremely high— but there's also way more awesome cheap/free stuff happening than one could possibly do.

Of course, if you're trying to raise a big family, the math works out a little differently.

Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

#82
post #72

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> 2. Internal employees - Stack Overflow said this has been available internally for a bit, but when employees find out what others are making they are inclined to compare their own efforts/abilities vs others. It can lead to people either asking for raises to match their co-workers, or perhaps feeling slighted and seeking other employers. Why is this wrong? The labor market should strive to be efficient, no?

I didn't say it was "wrong" - it could be a good thing for the labor market, as you say. I said it may cause some issues for the employer. Some of those issues will be related to things like confidence, willingness to speak out, and the ability to honestly recognize your ability. When asked in this context (as it relates to pay), most people may think they are at least above average. Obviously that can't be true. It'…

Lack of confidence and willingness to speak out are usually used by the employer to get more out of their employees, even if it's slightly worse for the employer it seems like straightforwardly positive for society.

As for people being unable to judge and compare the price value of their contribution, because of the lack of public salary data, they've had no practice at the exercise. After a short adjustment period I'm sure people would develop the tools and attitudes to navigate a marketplace where they have way more information available.

Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

#83
post #33

At my self-assessed skill level and years of experience, they're offering $11k/yr more for a "Developer" than a "Site Reliability Engineer". I find it interesting that they value someone in a "Developer" position higher than someone in a "Site Reliability Engineer" position. Having been an Ops person for my entire career and at the same time a competent developer in numerous languages and environments, I find this un…

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Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

#84
post #41

Slightly OT: it may sound like a good idea to increment browser history with every parameter change, but in fact it's not, as after a few simulations/tests one needs to hit the return button many times to go back to where they were.

Thanks! It should be doing that, if it’s not, it’s a bug. Drop me a note at matt at stackoverflow dot com, with a repro?

Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

#85

These salaries seem SUPER low. Engineering manager with 15 years experience < 150k? Try 200+k here in NYC.

Take that manager salary and switch to 'Developer' and the salary drops by a few grand, at most. Maybe in some companies - but I'm the lead of a project, responsible for multiple devs, projects, etc, and I'm only getting a few grand more than a dev who's only responsible for their own work...?

Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

#86
These types of calculators were incredibly helpful while looking for developer / quantitative positions out of grad school, especially since I'm wrapping up a phd in psychology. I was so clueless in terms of what kind of salary I should expect when I started looking--like, at 65% of what ended up seeming reasonable.

The calculator is basically a window into the prospective-employee calculus a company is doing. You can also invert things, and use whatever someone offers you to think about what level of skill they may think you have (from SO's perspective).

Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

#87
post #41

Slightly OT: it may sound like a good idea to increment browser history with every parameter change, but in fact it's not, as after a few simulations/tests one needs to hit the return button many times to go back to where they were.

Thanks! It should be doing that, if it’s not, it’s a bug. Drop me a note at matt at stackoverflow dot com, with a repro?

Use history.replaceState instead of pushState: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/History_API

That will still change the address in the location bar without filling up the history so it takes many back button clicks to leave.

Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

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post #10

Very cool. Salaries seem on the low-end of the industry standards from what I've seen. $120k for 5 years of experience in the Bay-Area is pretty insulting.

I think SF is a bubble and very unhealthy to the whole IT industry. It basically raises the costs for everyone. It makes no sense to hire a person in SF for much more (and he will not really benefit from it) just because you compete with multi billions dollar businesses that can cut costs somewhere else. At some point people do not want to change the world with next Instagram. They just want to live nicely.

The counter point is that companies are profitable despite high salaries. That suggests an engineers contributions exceed even the bloated salary and therefore they are undercompensated.

Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

#89

Does anyone have an opinion self reported salary websites like glass door? Do they skew high or low? What about other online salary websites?

Usually don't represent total comp. Most big tech companies include a lot of stock. If it's a publicly traded company it is liquid and therefore can be considered a variable cash compensation amount, but that isn't captured on Glassdoor.

Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

#90
post #33

At my self-assessed skill level and years of experience, they're offering $11k/yr more for a "Developer" than a "Site Reliability Engineer". I find it interesting that they value someone in a "Developer" position higher than someone in a "Site Reliability Engineer" position. Having been an Ops person for my entire career and at the same time a competent developer in numerous languages and environments, I find this un…

This is the profit centre vs cost centre problem. Companies are incentivized to spend more on developers, since developers build features, and features drive sales, and sales drive profit.

SysOps folks keep the site up, but once you start hitting >99% reliability, throwing more money at sysops isn't going to increase revenue.

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