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Some Silicon Valley Tech Workers Get Home Loans with No Money Down

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Re: Some Silicon Valley Tech Workers Get Home Loans with No Money Down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But is the cost of a house significant to someone worth billions? I'm asking why he wouldn't just pay cash for it.

There's a saying along the lines of "You don't get rich by spending money" that applies here. A mortgage at 1.05% interest as mentioned in the article is basically throwing money at the person taking the mortgage.

Makes sense, thanks.

Re: Some Silicon Valley Tech Workers Get Home Loans with No Money Down

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One reason: Almost half of their compensation packages are in Apple shares. So their lender, Opes Advisors, assigned the couple a financial adviser who used a software program to factor in debts and future income, including the stock, and the costs of education over the years for two young children. They don't go into much detail, but this part scares me. I'm assuming the "model" estimates some sort of future value f…

Reminds me of the banks here in Spain in the early 2000s: "Why do you want the loan to only cover your house? Add a car and some vacations in there as well!".... Ummm sure, Ill add a car and vacations... to my house loan? Yea, then people wondered why the country crashed (apart from other issues such as corruption).

Re: Some Silicon Valley Tech Workers Get Home Loans with No Money Down

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Why does someone like Zuck need a mortgage? Is it economically advantageous to him in a significant way?

Mortgage interest is tax deductible, which can be quite substantial if you're trying to lower your tax burden. The good news is that AMT comes along and typically eats up deducting property taxes and other things, but the mortgage interest itself still works.

There's also a deduction phase-out at high incomes. (450K iirc)

Re: Some Silicon Valley Tech Workers Get Home Loans with No Money Down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just bought my first house a couple months ago. Despite picking a lender that seemed to have their ducks in a row, I wound up 'at the table' from 9AM to 6:45PM. Everybody involved was surprised it actually got done. Fundamentally broken is an understatement.

We bought a house last year with a credit union, and everyone during closing was quite surprised that we actually closed within two hours of starting. Apparently it is not unheard of for mortgage lenders to be doing final approval up to the day of closing, and keeping people on hold/not answering phones while you and the seller are sitting there twiddling your thumbs.

This is one of the reasons why a seller would accept an all-cash offer significantly lower than a competing offer where the buyer requires financing. No seller wants to wait around for a lender to figure out how to do the one thing they're being asked to do.

Re: Some Silicon Valley Tech Workers Get Home Loans with No Money Down

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We looked at financing through some of those new 'hip' lenders. My wife works for Google and SoFi had some of the highest rates (even with 'Google discount' and 10/20% down). They may get your pre-approval within a day, but in reality most lenders get that done quickly. In the end, they have to play the game everyone else is playing and it means long turnaround times to actually close. This is the part that is fundam…

Yes. Completely irrational. I can secure $60k+ in a matter of hours to purchase a new Tesla or Merc. Drive it off the lot and suddenly worth less than the loan. Real Estate, however, can take 45 days to close a loan when the projected value of the asset is surely positive. Antiquated and balkanized title process and (I suspect) unhealthy regulatory requirements are a bog. From there, I think it is simply inefficiencies in the lenders' operations. Would love an insider's take.

Re: Some Silicon Valley Tech Workers Get Home Loans with No Money Down

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I have little interest in tying myself down by buying a house, but the part that's most appealing to me is the mortgage structure. You get to borrow money at a ~3.5% interest rate, in order to invest in something that produces 5-7% yearly returns. On average, this is going to make a ton of money in the long term. Is there any way to do something similar with stocks, without paying an insane amount of money in interes…

Take a look at the UK for a great example of how well that turned out. You can get a buy to let mortgage at around 3% (using your existing home as collateral), and achieve rental income of 10%+. I think you were even able to claim back tax on the interest up until this year.

Re: Some Silicon Valley Tech Workers Get Home Loans with No Money Down

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One reason: Almost half of their compensation packages are in Apple shares. So their lender, Opes Advisors, assigned the couple a financial adviser who used a software program to factor in debts and future income, including the stock, and the costs of education over the years for two young children. They don't go into much detail, but this part scares me. I'm assuming the "model" estimates some sort of future value f…

Zero down is more concerning. It is commonly accepted to grant loans based on employment income. That is a cash-flow stream unilaterally cancellable by one's employer with limited notice.

Stock is not cash. It is less liquid and more volatile. But if one properly discounts to accommodate those factors, it's just another deferred cash flow. This time, not relinquishable by the company. (If the stock goes to zero the employment cash flows do, too.)

Re: Some Silicon Valley Tech Workers Get Home Loans with No Money Down

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One reason: Almost half of their compensation packages are in Apple shares. So their lender, Opes Advisors, assigned the couple a financial adviser who used a software program to factor in debts and future income, including the stock, and the costs of education over the years for two young children. They don't go into much detail, but this part scares me. I'm assuming the "model" estimates some sort of future value f…

A nit: You mean non-recourse state , as in "The lender has no recourse to tap your assets in order to fulfill obligations of the mortgage in the event of non-payment." But CA is a bit strange: A mortgage is non-recourse only in defined circumstances, eg when the mortgage is purchase money guaranteed by the property. It used to be that refis turn non-recourse debt into recourse debt. I'd be very surprised if a loan ba…

Restricted shares may not be used to back a loan. They can only be used as a measurement of future income.

edit: actually its complicated

Re: Some Silicon Valley Tech Workers Get Home Loans with No Money Down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But is the cost of a house significant to someone worth billions? I'm asking why he wouldn't just pay cash for it.

There's a saying along the lines of "You don't get rich by spending money" that applies here. A mortgage at 1.05% interest as mentioned in the article is basically throwing money at the person taking the mortgage.

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Re: Some Silicon Valley Tech Workers Get Home Loans with No Money Down

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Why does someone like Zuck need a mortgage? Is it economically advantageous to him in a significant way?

He doesn't need a mortgage, it's just financially savvy to have one.

He avoids paying taxes on the sale of stocks to finance the home.

Mortgage interest is tax deductible.

His stocks will almost certainly yield more than the interest rate on the mortgage.

He's getting a sweetheart deal from the bank.

For him, selling stock is a PITA because he has special class of stock that grant him voting rights far beyond what a normal share is worth. These special shares are granted to him by the board of directors. So selling 1 share means losing like 1000 votes (they convert back to 1:1 upon sale), meaning he needs to be careful when liquidating assets. By waiting five years, he can use vested options to pay the mortgage, rather than selling his special class stock.

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