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Some Silicon Valley Tech Workers Get Home Loans with No Money Down

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Re: Some Silicon Valley Tech Workers Get Home Loans with No Money Down

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One reason: Almost half of their compensation packages are in Apple shares. So their lender, Opes Advisors, assigned the couple a financial adviser who used a software program to factor in debts and future income, including the stock, and the costs of education over the years for two young children. They don't go into much detail, but this part scares me. I'm assuming the "model" estimates some sort of future value f…

what is a "no-resource state"?

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Why does someone like Zuck need a mortgage? Is it economically advantageous to him in a significant way?

Same reason Apple finances stuff despite their giant cash hoard. With interest rates as low as they are, it's smarter to take the financing and have the money available for stuff with returns higher than the mortgage interest.

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Why does someone like Zuck need a mortgage? Is it economically advantageous to him in a significant way?

Check out my earlier comment. Any time you get to borrow money at 1%, you should take that loan and reinvest it in something (anything) that yields a higher return. It's almost like getting free money.

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I have little interest in tying myself down by buying a house, but the part that's most appealing to me is the mortgage structure. You get to borrow money at a ~3.5% interest rate, in order to invest in something that produces 5-7% yearly returns. On average, this is going to make a ton of money in the long term. Is there any way to do something similar with stocks, without paying an insane amount of money in interes…

Of course, and the interest rates are much lower than mortgages (which makes sense since stocks are more liquid than houses). However, you can only get ~4x leverage.

https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=marginnew&...

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One reason: Almost half of their compensation packages are in Apple shares. So their lender, Opes Advisors, assigned the couple a financial adviser who used a software program to factor in debts and future income, including the stock, and the costs of education over the years for two young children. They don't go into much detail, but this part scares me. I'm assuming the "model" estimates some sort of future value f…

A nit: You mean non-recourse state, as in "The lender has no recourse to tap your assets in order to fulfill obligations of the mortgage in the event of non-payment."

But CA is a bit strange: A mortgage is non-recourse only in defined circumstances, eg when the mortgage is purchase money guaranteed by the property. It used to be that refis turn non-recourse debt into recourse debt.

I'd be very surprised if a loan backed by stock met the non-recourse requirements. So if you fail to pay, it's probable that they can go after your other assets.

fyi I haven't kept up with how things evolved out of the mortgage meltdown, so perhaps things have changed. But anyone taking such a loan should figure out their potential liabilities carefully.

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post #4

One reason: Almost half of their compensation packages are in Apple shares. So their lender, Opes Advisors, assigned the couple a financial adviser who used a software program to factor in debts and future income, including the stock, and the costs of education over the years for two young children. They don't go into much detail, but this part scares me. I'm assuming the "model" estimates some sort of future value f…

what is a "no-resource state"?

I think he means "no recourse state."

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/whats-the-difference-...

Re: Some Silicon Valley Tech Workers Get Home Loans with No Money Down

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Why does someone like Zuck need a mortgage? Is it economically advantageous to him in a significant way?

Check out my earlier comment. Any time you get to borrow money at 1%, you should take that loan and reinvest it in something (anything) that yields a higher return. It's almost like getting free money.

But is the cost of a house significant to someone worth billions? I'm asking why he wouldn't just pay cash for it.

Re: Some Silicon Valley Tech Workers Get Home Loans with No Money Down

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How does it make sense to tie up $1M+ at 1%? Are they turning around and selling the note to Fannie or Ginnie Mae? Unless we are Japan (and that's a slight possibility, but not likely IMO) this will be a total loser - not as bad as buying Spanish/French/Italian debt at negative rates, but pretty bad. Who else has friends going through all sorts of ridiculous acrobatics to buy houses in the bay right now? Where they a…

I'd guess the bank is treating this as a similar risk investment as stuff in a money market fund.

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Why does someone like Zuck need a mortgage? Is it economically advantageous to him in a significant way?

Mortgage interest is tax deductible, which can be quite substantial if you're trying to lower your tax burden.

The good news is that AMT comes along and typically eats up deducting property taxes and other things, but the mortgage interest itself still works.

Re: Some Silicon Valley Tech Workers Get Home Loans with No Money Down

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I have little interest in tying myself down by buying a house, but the part that's most appealing to me is the mortgage structure. You get to borrow money at a ~3.5% interest rate, in order to invest in something that produces 5-7% yearly returns. On average, this is going to make a ton of money in the long term. Is there any way to do something similar with stocks, without paying an insane amount of money in interes…

Why do you assume housing provides a 5-7% yearly return?

Past performance is no guarantee of future performance.

You're also ignoring the carrying costs of a house.

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