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Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

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These salaries seem SUPER high. Developer with 10 years experience at 120k? I'm making less than half of that and don't feel particularly ripped off. (I guess both of our comments don't help a lot in general, except to show that you personally don't seem to consider an application at SO while I'd love to do just that)

but where though?

Probably Germany.

Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

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post #23

As someone in recruiting and hiring, I love the concept of salary transparency on many levels, and I hope more companies at least make attempts like this to provide insight. That said, salary ranges and transparency can create two obvious issues. 1. Negotiations - I can tell you from vast past experience that when you tell an applicant "the salary range for this position is 80-100K", in almost every case any offer be…

> 2. Internal employees - Stack Overflow said this has been available internally for a bit, but when employees find out what others are making they are inclined to compare their own efforts/abilities vs others. It can lead to people either asking for raises to match their co-workers, or perhaps feeling slighted and seeking other employers. Why is this wrong? The labor market should strive to be efficient, no?

I didn't say it was "wrong" - it could be a good thing for the labor market, as you say. I said it may cause some issues for the employer.

Some of those issues will be related to things like confidence, willingness to speak out, and the ability to honestly recognize your ability.

When asked in this context (as it relates to pay), most people may think they are at least above average. Obviously that can't be true. It's not easy to determine contributions in most cases, so value (and relative worth) can be ambiguous.

Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

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post #33

At my self-assessed skill level and years of experience, they're offering $11k/yr more for a "Developer" than a "Site Reliability Engineer". I find it interesting that they value someone in a "Developer" position higher than someone in a "Site Reliability Engineer" position. Having been an Ops person for my entire career and at the same time a competent developer in numerous languages and environments, I find this un…

I recently wrote a blog post coincidentally using Stack Overflow's own data to find correlations between the self-reported skill level of developers vs. other metrics such as salary: http://minimaxir.com/2016/07/stack-overflow/

The tl;dr is that yes, there is a positive correlation between developer skill and salary (http://minimaxir.com/img/stack-overflow/so-programming-6.png) for example, but it's hard to say which-causes-which.

Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

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MM yes it give me £120k for a London role - where do I sign up :-)

It gives ~£65K for a non-London developer, with zero experience and skill. Looking at the average for that around here being £20K, I'd suggest it's really well off the mark unless you're in Silicon Valley.

£65 would be a good wage for an experienced developer in the UK (London)

Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

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The salaries generated by the calculator while transparent are not validated by the market and are laughably low. Given the elasticity of supply and demand the salary mush be constantly evaluated against the market. This seems like just another trick to suppress wages for a qualified engineer. In today's market, a person with multiple offers would command at least twice the listed compensation at any of the software…

To be fair, Stack Exchange hires remotely. The "software majors" do not. (That said, if I wanted to work in Oklahoma and get a remote software engineering job, this lets me know I could probably get more at a place like GitHub)

Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

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post #19

A couple of things that stood out. 1) I'd imagine stock options are part of the job, but I don't see that anywhere. Do new employee's get stock options? I'm guessing they keep this hidden as it allows them a bit more flexibility on offering signing bonuses to entice employee's they want to hire? 2) I don't see any section for bonus on the calculator. Do stackoverflow employee's not get bonuses? 3) Why are years of ex…

My company has transparent salaries since the beginning 14 years ago. Funnily, in the words of one of the co-founders, it's more a mere accident than a clear will from the beginning : "we did not really plan it that way, but back then, it was easier to let the document listing the salaries open for everyone than restricting its access to a few persons" and they decided to keep it that way ever since :) We always ask…

> We are also experimenting with allowing people to choose their salary after 3 years in the company (there's a process and some caveats of course).

Why wouldn't everyone ask for the maximum amount your company is willing to give? I don't really care if Mark from billing is getting paid 1/3rd of what I'm asking for, what I care about is if you'll give it to me...

Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

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post #18

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Location, location, location; I live in .nl and with about €55k, I'm at the upper end of the job market here (14 years experience).

You are right but you have to also consider US working hours. Apparently it's not unusual to work 60 hours a week while here in Europe we have ~40 hours working weeks. If I have to choose I would definately stay on my UK salary that is about half what this calculator is showing for my experience and keep 40hr working week.

> Apparently it's not unusual to work 60 hours a week

That's unusual.

Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

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Does anyone have an opinion self reported salary websites like glass door? Do they skew high or low? What about other online salary websites?

Considering the sheer number of fake reviews on Glassdoor, I'm not inclined to trust them with anything, including salary numbers.

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Re: Salary transparency at Stack Overflow

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Before everyone inevitably piles on about how such-and-such a salary "seems low compared to That One Guy At Google I Know That Makes $300k", keep in mind average Bay Area salaries for software people in the Bay Area are not as large as you think. T.O.G.A.G.I.K. makes several standard deviations above the self reported mean of $100K-$105K [1][2] and BLS reported median [3][4] (around ~$125K or so depending on job func…

I'd also like to point out that...we're a largely remote company. We don't index our salaries to the most expensive time and place to hire developers ever. We don't have to support Bay Area rent, or duel it out with AppAmaMicroGoog to keep our people from getting poached. We hire people everywhere in the world and through that lens, we're competitive. I live like a king in Buffalo, NY.

What Punyon said. fwiw I live like a true Necromancer in the backwoods of Indiana.
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