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Philae Lander: “It’s time for me to say goodbye”

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Re: Philae Lander: “It’s time for me to say goodbye”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, science also gave us Josef Mengele. He was done with puny religious and moral concerns too.

Science didn't give us Mengele. If at all, Mengele gave us science [1], although of course that science is tainted with the blood and pain of his subjects. [1] The fine print: I don't know if there are actual preserved recordings from his research that bore any scientific value.

>The fine print: I don't know if there are actual preserved recordings from his research that bore any scientific value.

Sure, but that's either during to his clumsiness in experiments, or because of our refusal to accept such horrendous material for further use (even if they are scientifically valid otherwise).

That is, not due to some inherent logical or methodological impossibility of combining science with cruelty. If anything, not caring about the consequences (to people, animals, the environment, etc) can even accelerate scientific study.

That's why I brought it as an example.

To main it the point that we need to draw some lines through external normative systems (religion, morals, ethical concerns etc), because science itself is just a method of inquiry, nothing inherent in it about being humane or responsible.

Re: Philae Lander: “It’s time for me to say goodbye”

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If only science not religious anti-science sediment ruled the earth then they would have just used a nuclear battery instead.

The issue is less with anti-science sediment, and more with international treaties against such things.

True, you don't really want that stuff to fall into the wrong hands. NASA seem to like RTG's though and used them for New Horizons and a few others. Apparently they share since it's used in Cassini as well.

Re: Philae Lander: “It’s time for me to say goodbye”

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This was one of the more fun sciencey things to keep track of, and it brought space back into the media for a short time. Godspeed lil' probe.

Anyway, I kind of wish people would edit this style of title to something like "It's time for me (Philae Lander) to say goodbye"

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If only science not religious anti-science sediment ruled the earth then they would have just used a nuclear battery instead.

Sure, but for what purpose? The mission was done, nothing to see here anymore. So the ESA would have traded the (very small, but not zero) risk of radioactive contamination from a launch failure for not enough additional research gain.

AIUI the lander (Philae) is believed to have failed because it landed in a valley where its solar panels couldn't collect enough energy. Had the lander used an RTG it would likely have worked, returning valuable science data.

Re: Philae Lander: “It’s time for me to say goodbye”

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If only science not religious anti-science sediment ruled the earth then they would have just used a nuclear battery instead.

> religious anti-science sediment I'm assuming a typo, but this made me chuckle anyway; sediment is an inventive insult.

Would be great if it's intentional. Crusade of the Mud People!

Re: Philae Lander: “It’s time for me to say goodbye”

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post #12
post #6

If only science not religious anti-science sediment ruled the earth then they would have just used a nuclear battery instead.

Well, science also gave us Josef Mengele. He was done with puny religious and moral concerns too.

Well there it is.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Re: Philae Lander: “It’s time for me to say goodbye”

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post #22
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is less with anti-science sediment, and more with international treaties against such things.

True, you don't really want that stuff to fall into the wrong hands. NASA seem to like RTG's though and used them for New Horizons and a few others. Apparently they share since it's used in Cassini as well.

There is not enough light to power probes after a certain distance. That's why they have to use the RTG's in mission like New Horizons. There was also a shortage of the Radioactive material to make the RTGs, but that seams to be solved with NASA producing its own material.

Re: Philae Lander: “It’s time for me to say goodbye”

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post #24

This was one of the more fun sciencey things to keep track of, and it brought space back into the media for a short time. Godspeed lil' probe. Anyway, I kind of wish people would edit this style of title to something like "It's time for me (Philae Lander) to say goodbye"

Yes. And add a tiny violin to make it sound even more dramatic and sad.
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