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Re: Wikileaks: Something is up

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Post by jackowayed »

imajes wrote: post #53
akikuchi wrote: post #42

New Update: "To those worrying about us--we're fine, and will issue a suitable riposte shortly." http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/10993931099

i have a second source who validates that they're ok, just busy looking for bandwidth in a politically neutral state/jurisdiction. If anyone knows anyone who has that, pls let me know & i'll pass it on....

If this is really proof of some Giant Conspiracy that's super-newsworthy, couldn't they just send it to the NYT or the like and let them publish it? The 1st amendment is pretty close to absolute, and this sounds more like a military conspiracy than national security.

Re: Wikileaks: Something is up

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Post by GHFigs »

Indyan wrote: post #21

WikiLeaks getting in trouble is nothing new. The US Army has admitted to planning attacks on WikiLeaks in the past ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/16/army_wikileaks/ ), So far they have always managed to survice - even against damning odds. If some major press picks up this news, then it will certainly help WikiLeaks. I pushed it through at http://techie-buzz.com/latest-news/wikileaks-pentagon-murder... I just…

The US Army has admitted to planning attacks on WikiLeaks in the past

Not true. The article you link to only contains quotes from the document Wikileaks published. That is not an admission of anything. Nor does the document actually describe planning attacks on Wikileaks: only Wikileaks' description (and subsequent mis-reporting based on that) characterizes it that way. The actual content of the document does not support that conclusion. I encourage you to read it for yourself.

Re: Wikileaks: Something is up

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Post by TeHCrAzY »

adrianwaj wrote: post #51
Estragon wrote: post #34

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I don't understand why this comment is being voted up. What does it mean, and how does it relate to the comment it's responding to?

With the internet you can take on the DoD. If you know what you're doing, you can hack the DoD in such a way. Transparency all the way: look how Wikileaks are being so open on Twitter, look how we're all discussing it.

You'll have a hard time hacking past an air gap.

Re: Wikileaks: Something is up

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Post by fnid2 »

yters wrote: post #55
fnid2 wrote: post #45

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Re: Wikileaks: Something is up

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Post by fnid2 »

jonknee wrote: post #58
dhotson wrote: post #57

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Would you be willing to host the torrent file? It sounds like there'd be some risk involved..

Trackerless torrent files combined with hosts like Rapidshare, Zshare, Megaupload, etc should do the trick. Once it starts to spread it's unstoppable. Or host it in a country that likes to irritate the US government. Iran comes to mind. Venezuela would surely be open to it as well. If Osama Bin Laden can find hosting there is no reason why a group of clever engineers can't as well.

Panama and Hong Kong have several ISPs that are outside U.S. influence. You never know really. Use Tor to upload it to Youtube. See if Google helps out.

Re: Wikileaks: Something is up

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Post by [deleted] »

jonknee wrote: post #54
imajes wrote: post #53

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i have a second source who validates that they're ok, just busy looking for bandwidth in a politically neutral state/jurisdiction. If anyone knows anyone who has that, pls let me know & i'll pass it on....

Isn't this a great use case for torrents?

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Re: Wikileaks: Something is up

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Post by rosser »

yters wrote: post #56
rdtsc wrote: post #47

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> Those loyal to truth are often the enemy of all. And lately especially of the US govt. Our govt. holds secrecy of classified information above morality. I am sure CIA and other such agencies have blood on their hands, and they have done many morally questionable things in the name of 'national interest'. For them morality is only manifested as legal limits -- the amount of stuff they can get away before being found…

Should all kinds of truth always be released? I think a bit more sophistication is necessary here. For instance, should the launch codes for our nuclear weapons be made public?

I think you're offering a bit of a straw-man here. There's a vast difference between truthful documentation of past misdeeds and disclosing information that could in the future be used to cause great harm -- the difference between, "Regime X has used chemical weapons on its own people," and, "Here's how you make mustard gas."

Re: Wikileaks: Something is up

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Post by rdtsc »

yters wrote: post #56
rdtsc wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Those loyal to truth are often the enemy of all. And lately especially of the US govt. Our govt. holds secrecy of classified information above morality. I am sure CIA and other such agencies have blood on their hands, and they have done many morally questionable things in the name of 'national interest'. For them morality is only manifested as legal limits -- the amount of stuff they can get away before being found…

Should all kinds of truth always be released? I think a bit more sophistication is necessary here. For instance, should the launch codes for our nuclear weapons be made public?

I was thinking more of 'we just bombed 50 civilians in Afghanistan and we are very sorry.' kind of information.

Or 'we have captured someone in Albania today, flew him to Latvia to get tortured, but it turns out it was the wrong guy. We have let him go and we are very sorry. Our government will pay him some restitution for the harm caused.'.

Then our citizens will start to ask questions. 'How come our government is doing that?', 'Why not bring them to trial?', 'What about world court? should they hold the trial instead?', 'What are our tax dollars used for?' and other such discussions.

I think a lot of this information will not compromise national security, but it is compromising our image internationally. And I think that is why it is hidden. It is shameful and wrong. Not because it can be used to launch rockets or crack our cyber-security.

Re: Wikileaks: Something is up

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Post by akgerber »

jaxn wrote: post #52
waterlesscloud wrote: post #46

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Which is pretty much what's happening, except it's moving to the other side of the world. And we're just killing people rather than bringing them in. So, there's your Gitmo solution.

And we did it before with the School of the Americas. It was in Panama as the "U.S. Army Caribbean Training Center" and was forced to move as a result of the Panama Canal treaty. Then they changed the name to School of the America's and focused on fighting communists (with the same tactic of training what we now call insurgents). After the killing of nuns in South America it started to get bad press (referred to as t…

http://soaw.org/

There are still yearly protests there despite the name change.

Re: Wikileaks: Something is up

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Post by adrianwaj »

djcapelis wrote: post #49
akikuchi wrote: post #42

New Update: "To those worrying about us--we're fine, and will issue a suitable riposte shortly." http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/10993931099

Yeah but can we even trust that? I mean probably, but if we're really talking about the wikileaks team being detained for serious business, can we realy trust that no one went and logged onto their twitter account to tell people that these weren't the droids they were looking for? I'm going to assume they're likely fine, but a post on Twitter hardly provides complete assurance of that. Unfortunately I'm not sure ther…

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