So long story short, we don't know why and we need to quit acting other wise and put more effort into correcting models so that they are least close to predicting what has occurred over the last few decades of known data. If a model cannot reproduce what has happened it cannot be reliable in predicting what will. How can we not fix them?
Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change
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Re: Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change
#12I have no doubt that climate change is a problem. I have kids, I dont want to give them a hospital pass. I've tried to stop living such a carbon dependant lifestyle but I look outside and my efforts feel futile. How do I REALLY do something about this other than a few pretentious yet barely discomforting lifestyle changes and the odd empassioned few sentences at dinner parties? Start pushing for a carbon tax? Start a…
Re: Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change
#13I have no doubt that climate change is a problem. I have kids, I dont want to give them a hospital pass. I've tried to stop living such a carbon dependant lifestyle but I look outside and my efforts feel futile. How do I REALLY do something about this other than a few pretentious yet barely discomforting lifestyle changes and the odd empassioned few sentences at dinner parties? Start pushing for a carbon tax? Start a…
The problem is that carbon releasing, cheap energy is more delicious than apples. It is worth a lot more than apples and the people who control that energy are a lot more powerful than apple growers. But the solution is the same.
How would you convince people to stop eating apples? You could protest against the eating of apples. You could lobby for apple taxes. You could do many, many things, but to be honest I don't think you would be very successful.
If it were me, I think I would work very hard to eliminate apples from my life (at least as much as I could). I would work very hard to learn how to be happy without apples (or at least with a tiny amount of apples). Having learned how to be happy without apples, I would show my neighbours and friends how they can be happy without apples.
Because the thing is, you require a cultural change to get everyone going the same direction. And they won't do it unless they think it's going to be OK. Right now all they hear is death and destruction on one side, or a life of freezing poverty on the other side. Most of them are happy to believe the apple salesmen who tell them that the concept that apples change the climate is preposterous.
Re: Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
While this is true, I think that what the article is trying to point out is not that climate change is worse, but that the models we have do not work in the current conditions. This is scary, because scientists have been anticipating climate change for decades, but now we know that what they anticipated was not as accurate as we thought. If predictions from 10 years ago, let's say, had been replaced by worse predicti…
>> scientists have been anticipating climate change for decades, but now we know that what they anticipated was not as accurate as we thought. It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future
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#16I have no doubt that climate change is a problem. I have kids, I dont want to give them a hospital pass. I've tried to stop living such a carbon dependant lifestyle but I look outside and my efforts feel futile. How do I REALLY do something about this other than a few pretentious yet barely discomforting lifestyle changes and the odd empassioned few sentences at dinner parties? Start pushing for a carbon tax? Start a…
Re: Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change
#17I have no doubt that climate change is a problem. I have kids, I dont want to give them a hospital pass. I've tried to stop living such a carbon dependant lifestyle but I look outside and my efforts feel futile. How do I REALLY do something about this other than a few pretentious yet barely discomforting lifestyle changes and the odd empassioned few sentences at dinner parties? Start pushing for a carbon tax? Start a…
Re: Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change
#18I have no doubt that climate change is a problem. I have kids, I dont want to give them a hospital pass. I've tried to stop living such a carbon dependant lifestyle but I look outside and my efforts feel futile. How do I REALLY do something about this other than a few pretentious yet barely discomforting lifestyle changes and the odd empassioned few sentences at dinner parties? Start pushing for a carbon tax? Start a…
If I said that apples were the cause of global warming and that to avoid catastrophe you had to avoid eating apples it wouldn't worry you nearly as much, would it? I mean apples are delicious, but they aren't worth the misery that extreme weather will inflict on us. There are also a lot of people who depend on apple production to make a living. We would have to find some way for them to transition to something else f…
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#19When are we going to stop f *ing around and start doing something serious? Let's just buy off the carbon lobby (oil/coal/gas owners) and get on with a crash program of energy decarbonisation.
Humanity is doomed. We had a good run.
Re: Scientists caught off-guard by record temperatures linked to climate change
#20I have no doubt that climate change is a problem. I have kids, I dont want to give them a hospital pass. I've tried to stop living such a carbon dependant lifestyle but I look outside and my efforts feel futile. How do I REALLY do something about this other than a few pretentious yet barely discomforting lifestyle changes and the odd empassioned few sentences at dinner parties? Start pushing for a carbon tax? Start a…
We have fed massive amounts of carbon into the atmosphere over the past decade, more than any decade in the past, and our rate of emission continues to increase. Admittedly the double delta (the rate of change of the rate of change) has now gone negative, but the fact remains that an enormous amount of damage has been done, and continues to be done.
We are already seeing preliminary consequences in the form of heating, excess precipitation, "strange" weather, and this is already incurring costs, both economic and upon the climate. Flood defences aren't cheap, nor is rebuilding homes and infrastructure.
On the climate cost front, for instance, the three springs in the UK and elsewhere killed or damaged an awful lot of trees this year, which decreases the amount of carbon reabsorbed - this kind of feedback cycle isn't really anticipated by current models which rather look at broad variables like "is the average temperature within the average range within which trees can live" - not "will we have trees sprout considerably then be frozen twice before succeeding in one year".
We have giant holes opening up in the tundra which are spewing forth enormous amounts of methane which again, wasn't really anticipated, and is another positive feedback loop.
In terms of what you can do - learn skills that are useful in a post-post-scarcity society. I don't think we can avoid drastic climate change at this point, but we can sure as hell try to survive through it as best we can - and it's likely to force dramatic lifestyle changes, to put it lightly.
If you want to do something directly which may abate but not avert the impending disaster, find a way to promote political and popular will to actually do something urgently and internationally - most are still lukewarm on the topic, and will only actually start responding when things get nasty indeed - and then likely only on a local basis and in an uncoordinated fashion.
Sorry, that does all sound defeatist, but I think we're going to find ourselves investing an awful lot of time and energy in dealing with the consequences of climate change in the near future, rather than dealing with the root cause. That may end up being a permanent state of affairs - I can imagine that it could actually be turned to net economic benefit for some by generating employment in new industries (dike building will be big business), although many without the benefit of a coordinated response and the fortune to live in part of the world which cares to respond will suffer, greatly.
Humans have survived ice ages - civilisations and societies have not, to our knowledge - humans will likely survive this - but this civilisation - who knows.