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We have an epidemic of bad posture

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Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

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I haven't read all the other comments so not sure if this has been mentioned already.

The modern concepts of posture may be wrong.

I have a curved butt to shoulder area. It makes me look somewhat duck like.

However, I never have any back aches etc.

I know of people who are straight as a plank, and complain constantly of aches and pains.

This TED talk will explain why curved is better than straight:

https://youtu.be/k1luKAS_Xcg?t=224

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

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How often do you find that a person with a low body-fat ratio with negative effects caused by bad posture? The people who I've seen with obvious problems caused by poor posture, like a hump or sore back or joints, are usually moderately to highly overweight. Kind of like how women with large breasts can have problems with soreness or neck humps. I suspect that it's not so much about good posture as it is about having…

Me. I'm a skinny guy, and developed osteoarthritis in my neck due to years of intensive computer use (since 1981). The problem as explained by my physical therapist is sitting with a hunched neck. The acute symptom for me is a bout of pain running down my left arm and wrist, lasting several months before it goes away. This has happened twice. Second time, I switched to a standing desk.

As an aside, I don't goof off as much when I'm standing at my desk.

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

#63

How often do you find that a person with a low body-fat ratio with negative effects caused by bad posture? The people who I've seen with obvious problems caused by poor posture, like a hump or sore back or joints, are usually moderately to highly overweight. Kind of like how women with large breasts can have problems with soreness or neck humps. I suspect that it's not so much about good posture as it is about having…

I'm a tall (1.86 m) and fit middle aged man. I have neck problems from using laptop or bad chair. I started to have lower back problems but I fixed them with a chair.

I realized nearly two years ago that almost all tall people in my office use external monitors and it clicked. The taller you are the worse the laptop ergonomy is. Human head weighs 4.5kg-5kg. If you have to bend your neck even a little bit your muscles have to do lot of static work. You can compensate by bending your back, tall people have to bend their back more.

My hypothesis is that short or fit people can get away more than tall or unfit, but things will show up after 20-30 years of bad posture for everyone.

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

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post #63

How often do you find that a person with a low body-fat ratio with negative effects caused by bad posture? The people who I've seen with obvious problems caused by poor posture, like a hump or sore back or joints, are usually moderately to highly overweight. Kind of like how women with large breasts can have problems with soreness or neck humps. I suspect that it's not so much about good posture as it is about having…

I'm a tall (1.86 m) and fit middle aged man. I have neck problems from using laptop or bad chair. I started to have lower back problems but I fixed them with a chair. I realized nearly two years ago that almost all tall people in my office use external monitors and it clicked. The taller you are the worse the laptop ergonomy is. Human head weighs 4.5kg-5kg. If you have to bend your neck even a little bit your muscles…

> If you have to bend your neck even a little bit your muscles have to do lot of static work. You can compensate by bending your back, tall people have to bend their back more.

Or you could (with the right chair and foot rest) angle your seat instead of bending your back.

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

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Do you have any specific beginner's routines you'd recommend? I was doing 5x5, which has pulls in the form of barbell rows and deadlifts; I don't know if that's sufficient.

You can always supplement the 5x5 routine with 3x8-10 (typically) accessory exercises with dumbbells. In some cases dumbbells will give you a better range of motion and help develop smaller muscles. Another common addition to 5x5 I've seen is adding a dedicated core day (weighted ab crunches, hanging leg raises, planks) Core is the 2nd most important part of doing pull exercises (after back)

> In some cases dumbbells will give you a better range of motion and help develop smaller muscles.

This has always smelled like broscience to me. I guess I'm just skeptical that someone unable to create stable positions with a fixed object (barbell) will have more success creating proper stable positions off of objects that move freely. Based on what I've seen in the gym, it looks like the barbell users usually end up 'collapsing' into stability... then again, most of what I see in the gym are meatheads using way more weight than they should be. Maybe it would be different if priority was given to proper mechanics rather than pressing till your eyeballs bleed.

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

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post #63

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I'm a tall (1.86 m) and fit middle aged man. I have neck problems from using laptop or bad chair. I started to have lower back problems but I fixed them with a chair. I realized nearly two years ago that almost all tall people in my office use external monitors and it clicked. The taller you are the worse the laptop ergonomy is. Human head weighs 4.5kg-5kg. If you have to bend your neck even a little bit your muscles…

> If you have to bend your neck even a little bit your muscles have to do lot of static work. You can compensate by bending your back, tall people have to bend their back more. Or you could (with the right chair and foot rest) angle your seat instead of bending your back.

I don't see how you can fix things with just chair if you work with laptop that is in the table and your are tall.

External monitor and keyboard is must.

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

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post #58

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> I also don't know how more people aren't in the chiropractor's office weekly Maybe because there are no evidence that it's effective. https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/reference/chiropractic/

I keep reading that, and then I keep reading about people who actually had good experiences with chiropractors. This thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/4ug8vw/this_chiropr... You can see a clear divide. It's far from the homeopathy agreement that it's bullshit. It also seems like most people arguing against chiropractors have never experienced even a good massage and its benefits.

> I keep reading that, and then I keep reading about people who actually had good experiences with chiropractors.

Many people had good experience with horoscope or homeopathy and so on... I think any reasonable discussion shouldn't be based on personal anecdotes but on serious scientific protocols.

> It's far from the homeopathy agreement that it's bullshit. It also seems like most people arguing against chiropractors have never experienced even a good massage and its benefits.

I'm certainly not saying that all manual therapies are bullshit. Chiropractic doesn't equate to manual therapy.

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

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post #41

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Maybe because of the baby whose neck was broken [1], 6-year old who had a stroke [2], and 30-year old killed [3], all at the hands of chiropractors. [1] http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/9223578/Chiropractor-... [2] https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/chiropractic-manipulati... [3] https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/stroke-death-from-chiro...

Yeah, I don't know why people get surgery considering perioperative mortality[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perioperative_mortality /s Obviously people die all the time and the cause of death can be attributed to any number of activities that are otherwise beneficial to the vast majority of people who undertake them.

There is a difference between a surgery removing a brain tumor and someone jerking your neck left and right due to some neck pain.

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can always supplement the 5x5 routine with 3x8-10 (typically) accessory exercises with dumbbells. In some cases dumbbells will give you a better range of motion and help develop smaller muscles. Another common addition to 5x5 I've seen is adding a dedicated core day (weighted ab crunches, hanging leg raises, planks) Core is the 2nd most important part of doing pull exercises (after back)

> In some cases dumbbells will give you a better range of motion and help develop smaller muscles. This has always smelled like broscience to me. I guess I'm just skeptical that someone unable to create stable positions with a fixed object (barbell) will have more success creating proper stable positions off of objects that move freely. Based on what I've seen in the gym, it looks like the barbell users usually end u…

The idea is that you have full range of motion when using a barbell or dumbbells compared to a machine that limits your range of motions to a very strict horizontal/vertical axis.
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