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Breast-Feeding the Microbiome

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Re: Breast-Feeding the Microbiome

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I don't understand why HN is so obsessed with gut bacteria. I don't oppose posting it, I just don't understand the fascination.

We are exploring and learning to hack the most complicated system we are aware of. Even the smallest component is truly remarkable.

Re: Breast-Feeding the Microbiome

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post #30

Regarding the Microbiome, I'm currently reading Rodney Dietert's "The Human Superorganism: How the Microbiome Is Revolutionizing the Pursuit of a Healthy Life". I haven't finished it yet, but it's been a great read so far. [ https://www.amazon.com/dp/1101983906 ]

Why did you post this a second time under another account?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12163740

Re: Breast-Feeding the Microbiome

#43
post #30

Regarding the Microbiome, I'm currently reading Rodney Dietert's "The Human Superorganism: How the Microbiome Is Revolutionizing the Pursuit of a Healthy Life". I haven't finished it yet, but it's been a great read so far. [ https://www.amazon.com/dp/1101983906 ]

Another good book on the subject is "The Good Gut: Taking Control of Your Weight, Your Mood, and Your Long-term Health"

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OZ0TOV2

Re: Breast-Feeding the Microbiome

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Cow's milk from the store expires in the manner it does due to the processing. Raw milk eventually turns into yogurt, but is still consumable (and delicious, imo). I'd say they froze the milk in question though, just thought I'd mention it.

The reason pasteurized milk spoils instead of turning into yogurt is the same reason why making yogurt from unprocessed milk is a really bad idea. Milk turns into yogurt instead of curd because of a symbiotic relationship between two bacteria which are added to milk after it has been processed. These bacteria are usually already present in raw milk but we wipe them out so that all of the really nasty stuff doesn't su…

Botulism isn't a problem as long as the incipient yoghurt is exposed to oxygen and contains plenty of other micro-organisms: c. botulinum is anærobic and easily out-competed by lactobacillus.

There are spores of c. botulinum everywhere, but they don't normally cause a problem unless there's a deoxygenated environment (e.g. in the core of a sausage — Latin botulus, hence the name).

The trouble with poorly-canned goods is that they are not exposed to oxygen, other micro-organisms have been killed off, but c. botulinum has survived: that's a perfect breeding ground for the stuff.

Re: Breast-Feeding the Microbiome

#45
post #35

So ... does this mean we are going to see yogurt with "B. Infantis"? Or is this a infant-only symbiotic strain? Curious.

Probably not yogurt, but I have run across several probiotics with this particular bacteria present in it. Additionally I have read that yogurt for the most part is pretty useless as a probiotic as your stomach acid kills most of the bacteria in it (also, many yogurts have little live culture in it).

Yoghurt as a probiotic is bad simply because it doesn't contain the right mix of gut bacteria. Typically it's a lactobacillus strain, which is present in our gut, but it's only 1 of millions of strains.

Re: Breast-Feeding the Microbiome

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1,606 different protein types essential for newborn growth I read that as "if the baby doesn't get all 1,606 of this proteins, it won't develop normally." That sounds like a ridiculous statement.

It might be, but that's orthogonal to the point I was making, which was "yep actually human breastmilk is significantly different to chimpanzees".

Maybe. A chimpanzee is much closer to a human than a monkey, which already had ~500 of the ~1600 proteins.

Re: Breast-Feeding the Microbiome

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post #45
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not yogurt, but I have run across several probiotics with this particular bacteria present in it. Additionally I have read that yogurt for the most part is pretty useless as a probiotic as your stomach acid kills most of the bacteria in it (also, many yogurts have little live culture in it).

Yoghurt as a probiotic is bad simply because it doesn't contain the right mix of gut bacteria. Typically it's a lactobacillus strain, which is present in our gut, but it's only 1 of millions of strains.

It's not bad, it's insufficient.

But in the stomach, it is my understanding that the bacteria in yogurt can help process the sugars in milk, thus avoiding an excess of sugars in the gut, which might upset the balance of the intestinal flora.

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/05/05/garden/personal-health-enz...

Re: Breast-Feeding the Microbiome

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I've seen very conflicting information when it comes to how dangerous unprocessed milk actually is. Many people argue that the ultra-bad bacteria is a result of the processing itself (homogenization of milk from hundreds of cows in a single vat, unsanitary conditions for animals, udder sores producing infectious discharge). I'm not saying you're wrong, but my wife and I get our milk from a single cow. It's tested for…

Well, apparently "many people" don't have a basic understanding of biology. The pasteurization process kills all but the thermophilic bacteria which is why you need to culture pasteurized milk. Only one of the two bacteria needed to make yogurt can withstand the process and the rest of the survivors are incapable of out competing our immune system because they are adapted to an entirely different environment. It does…

Botulism spores can survive much higher temps than those used for pasteurization. This is why there's a risk for botulism for home-canned goods that aren't acidic enough. If you're water bath canning, that's pretty much 212F (or less due to altitude). Pressure canning at 15PSI can get up to around 240F, which the minimum temp to kill botulism.

In the past I have done the family milk cow/goat thing, as well as canning, natural fermentation, and cheese-making. So I've done some reading on the topics. I sorely miss raw jersey milk on a daily basis. That stuff is wonderful.

Re: Breast-Feeding the Microbiome

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post #7

I don't understand why HN is so obsessed with gut bacteria. I don't oppose posting it, I just don't understand the fascination.

I suspect, from my own anecdata, it's because a great many of us in the field have had gut issues. A lot of us lead lifestyles that aren't necessarily the greatest (although I feel overall that old adage is changing for the better rapidly) and have a deep interest in fixing the problem. Plus, knowing how things work, biological, electrical, whatever.. it all fits the hacker ethos

Is that your "gut feeling"?

Re: Breast-Feeding the Microbiome

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post #42
post #30

Regarding the Microbiome, I'm currently reading Rodney Dietert's "The Human Superorganism: How the Microbiome Is Revolutionizing the Pursuit of a Healthy Life". I haven't finished it yet, but it's been a great read so far. [ https://www.amazon.com/dp/1101983906 ]

Why did you post this a second time under another account? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12163740

Nice catch!
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