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The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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Indeed, icons are unnecessary. They're there to fill space with colors, which people like. Full = good. Color = happy. good + happy = sales.

It's quicker to glance at icons and spot the app right away than not read each and every item in a list.

Perhaps for you. But for me, icons are cryptic. I can glance at a list of words and find exactly what I'm looking for. My brain is wired to read and pick out words much faster than little drawings.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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France here, and the new one feels so much better. I definitely viewed the old one as a U.S. centric thing (similar to units).

Yeah, I think it's an US - European thing. The parent comment mentioned Germany, you mentioned France, another comment mentioned Italy, I'm from Romania and we also use white notepads.

As another datapoint, I don't think I've ever seen a yellow one here in Brazil (other than paper so old that it has turned yellow from age).

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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It’s not that important a point, but legal pads are a very US phenomena. I’m German and I have never ever seen a yellow pad like that in person. The current notes icon (with white paper) is much more in line with the note pads you would encounter in Germany. Paper people write on to take notes is typically just white. Maybe bound with a spiral on the left or top (and perforated paper to tear off), maybe glued togethe…

To me the current icon looks a lot like a Rhodia notepad with the typical orange cover folded over at the top: https://www.stylo.ca/fr/produits/Rhodia/Basics-(no.18)/430_2... Not sure how well known that brand is outside of Europe.

(American here, but pen-and-paper snob). I literally was walking through my apartment as I was reading this, looked over at the (Rhodia) notepad on my counter, and thought "hmm, looks about right".

I'd imagine Rhodia is pretty correlated with the popularity of fountain pens.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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I'm writing this post form an late 2015 Mac Book Retina (not air, not pro). The mac book stands on a book, a small fan points to it's back so that I can write this. Without this the machine would get to hot, which results into a slower user interaction (think: write a letter, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, letter appears on the screen). On the left hand side a huge adapter (99EUR) is plugged in. It enables me…

My general rule of thumb for Macbooks: If you want to do anything other thank browse facebook and write word docs, and want the machine to last you for more than 3 years - get a Pro. Vote with your wallet, if you can replace the Macbook experiment* with a Pro or some other computer, go for it. As it stands, Apple has no incentive to make it better since they have your money anyway unless enough users skip the product…

I second this. I'm writing this on a late 2011 MBP w/8GB RAM and an after-market 1TB SSD. I use it primarily for developing and testing data-driven applications (big data, medium data, small data). I occasionally run Windows and Linux VMs when my development work demands it. This "old" MBP is my primary machine.

I don't have any major performance issues to this date, at least not for my primary use of this machine. I typically run Netflix, Hulu, or some other media while I code, and I actually have more issues with Flash video running in the browser than anything else. This is generally tied to Spotlight reindexing. Killing the index and allowing the machine to rebuild it from scratch usually resolves my issue. But, I digress...

Take the time to understand how your work utilizes machine resources and buy the best machine to get the work done. It might not even be a MBP.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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> is there anything in the new Photos icon that tells you that it anything to do with images, photos or image manipulation Yes, it says "Photos" below it

No it doesn't.

Mine says "Photos" above it.

But what has actually happened is a mess of inconsistent designs. Older apps still use skeuomorphism. Newer apps copy the flat look.

Skeuomorphism implemented a design principle - discoverability. You could argue with the choices made for specific icons, but there was a consistent goal - to make the OS as usable as possible.

The flat look is an anti-pattern - fashion over discoverability. The point seems to be to allow Sir Jony to impress everyone with his aesthetic skillz. User experience has become secondary to internal politics.

That's a huge problem for a company like Apple, because it'a fundamental shift in focus.

And there have been obvious effects. Watch isn't doing brilliantly, precisely because the user experience is nothing special. iOS is creaking under the weight of new features apparently added with no overall strategy, many of which remain invisible to users because the literally never find them.

MacOS is going the same way. Some of the new features are certainly welcome. But the Apple UX generally is suffering badly - from bugs, from questionable design choices, from popular products like Logic and FCP that have been cut down, then more or less abandoned.

There's no one in charge to obsessively fine tune the conflicting needs of product momentum, reliability, UX, and aesthetics.

Jobs was very good at that. Cook doesn't even seem to realise there's an issue.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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My general rule of thumb for Macbooks: If you want to do anything other thank browse facebook and write word docs, and want the machine to last you for more than 3 years - get a Pro. Vote with your wallet, if you can replace the Macbook experiment* with a Pro or some other computer, go for it. As it stands, Apple has no incentive to make it better since they have your money anyway unless enough users skip the product…

My wife wants a Mac. She's a teacher and uses it mostly to write documents, watch movies, and read PDFs. Would an Air be good enough for her?

It sounds like an Air would be fine, but she might want to also consider a Chromebook.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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From a usability perspective I totally agree with this article. From a design standpoint though, people generally prefer minimalism over realism in UI design. I also much prefer the design of macs today over PCs, even though I prefer Windows for usability. Apple these days is more looks over function, while Steve Jobs thought the other way around was the way to go in my opinion. So there is a decline over what Apple stood for after Jobs.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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There is an old macintosh print ad in the article stating something like: "A computer that everyone can use will get used by everyone". It immediately made me think of iOS. No matter how good you think the UI paradigm of the mac was at its peak, it doesn't compete with iOS in user friendliness. We've all heard stories of or witnessed 2-year olds who can navigate an iPad. That was never the case for a mac. I wonder if…

> There is an old macintosh print ad in the article stating something like: "A computer that everyone can use will get used by everyone".

The one that says "A funny thing happens when you design a computer that everyone can use. Everyone uses it"? That's in the article.

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