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Re: Wire open-sourced

#131

Post by saiko-chriskun »

stephenr wrote: post #127
pikachu_is_cool wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Installing apps from web: wget http://example.com/app.zip unzip app.zip -d app_files mv app_files/App.app /Applications rm -rf app.zip app_files With Mac App Store, I have to leave the CLI and use the mouse like a filthy peasant. And I pirate paid apps. Way easier UX there, because I don't have to spend any money.

> With Mac App Store, I have to leave the CLI and use the mouse like a filthy peasant. I found https://github.com/argon/mas in about 5 minutes. Also, that tool will show you app id's from a search. What's the wget command to identify the correct download link for a given domain, assuming you even know the domain name for the app you want. > And I pirate paid apps Right so at this point your opinions are essentially w…

and that high horse is why I didn't comment further initially lol. some people just don't like using apple's platforms. deal with it. just downloading a .dmg is way less overhead, by definition. I don't even like having to auth with appleid.

Re: Wire open-sourced

#132

Post by stephenr »

saiko-chriskun wrote: post #131
stephenr wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With Mac App Store, I have to leave the CLI and use the mouse like a filthy peasant. I found https://github.com/argon/mas in about 5 minutes. Also, that tool will show you app id's from a search. What's the wget command to identify the correct download link for a given domain, assuming you even know the domain name for the app you want. > And I pirate paid apps Right so at this point your opinions are essentially w…

and that high horse is why I didn't comment further initially lol. some people just don't like using apple's platforms. deal with it. just downloading a .dmg is way less overhead, by definition. I don't even like having to auth with appleid.

> and that high horse is why I didn't comment further initially lol

Since when is asking for actual reasons ("I don't like it because I don't like it" is not a valid opinion, in my eyes) a "high horse".

> just downloading a .dmg is way less overhead, by definition.

That's a very subjective opinion. Each time I do a fresh install of OSX, the MAS apps are always the quickest and easiest to re-install.

The only valid (but not really defensible) argument I've seen yet, is the one about not paying for commercial apps. Every other claim that the manual method is easier, just doesn't hold up.

Re: Wire open-sourced

#133

Post by pikachu_is_cool »

stephenr wrote: post #127
pikachu_is_cool wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Installing apps from web: wget http://example.com/app.zip unzip app.zip -d app_files mv app_files/App.app /Applications rm -rf app.zip app_files With Mac App Store, I have to leave the CLI and use the mouse like a filthy peasant. And I pirate paid apps. Way easier UX there, because I don't have to spend any money.

> With Mac App Store, I have to leave the CLI and use the mouse like a filthy peasant. I found https://github.com/argon/mas in about 5 minutes. Also, that tool will show you app id's from a search. What's the wget command to identify the correct download link for a given domain, assuming you even know the domain name for the app you want. > And I pirate paid apps Right so at this point your opinions are essentially w…

> Right so at this point your opinions are essentially worth less than nothing.

Just because I don't believe in intellectual property?

I'm a programmer just like you... piracy also "hurts" me. As long as you support the authors in some way, then it's okay in my book.

Also, that Github project may have swayed me.

Re: Wire open-sourced

#134

Post by stephenr »

pikachu_is_cool wrote: post #133
stephenr wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With Mac App Store, I have to leave the CLI and use the mouse like a filthy peasant. I found https://github.com/argon/mas in about 5 minutes. Also, that tool will show you app id's from a search. What's the wget command to identify the correct download link for a given domain, assuming you even know the domain name for the app you want. > And I pirate paid apps Right so at this point your opinions are essentially w…

> Right so at this point your opinions are essentially worth less than nothing. Just because I don't believe in intellectual property? I'm a programmer just like you... piracy also "hurts" me. As long as you support the authors in some way, then it's okay in my book. Also, that Github project may have swayed me.

> Just because I don't believe in intellectual property?

So release your own projects as open source or public domain or whatever you want.

> As long as you support the authors in some way, then it's okay in my book.

Given that you're using someone else's work, it doesn't matter what's "ok in your book", it matters what's ok in the developer's book.

Re: Wire open-sourced

#135

Post by pikachu_is_cool »

stephenr wrote: post #134
pikachu_is_cool wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Right so at this point your opinions are essentially worth less than nothing. Just because I don't believe in intellectual property? I'm a programmer just like you... piracy also "hurts" me. As long as you support the authors in some way, then it's okay in my book. Also, that Github project may have swayed me.

> Just because I don't believe in intellectual property? So release your own projects as open source or public domain or whatever you want. > As long as you support the authors in some way, then it's okay in my book. Given that you're using someone else's work, it doesn't matter what's "ok in your book", it matters what's ok in the developer's book.

> it matters what's ok in the developer's book.

Why?

Re: Wire open-sourced

#136

Post by stephenr »

pikachu_is_cool wrote: post #135
stephenr wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just because I don't believe in intellectual property? So release your own projects as open source or public domain or whatever you want. > As long as you support the authors in some way, then it's okay in my book. Given that you're using someone else's work, it doesn't matter what's "ok in your book", it matters what's ok in the developer's book.

> it matters what's ok in the developer's book. Why?

Does it matter to you if I come into your house and shit in your fish tank?

Re: Wire open-sourced

#138

Post by pikachu_is_cool »

stephenr wrote: post #136
pikachu_is_cool wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it matters what's ok in the developer's book. Why?

Does it matter to you if I come into your house and shit in your fish tank?

A better metaphor would be: "Does it matter to you if I made an exact copy of your fish tank, and then shat in it?", in which case, I wouldn't care.

Re: Wire open-sourced

#139

Post by saiko-chriskun »

stephenr wrote: post #132
saiko-chriskun wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and that high horse is why I didn't comment further initially lol. some people just don't like using apple's platforms. deal with it. just downloading a .dmg is way less overhead, by definition. I don't even like having to auth with appleid.

> and that high horse is why I didn't comment further initially lol Since when is asking for actual reasons ("I don't like it because I don't like it" is not a valid opinion, in my eyes) a "high horse". > just downloading a .dmg is way less overhead, by definition. That's a very subjective opinion. Each time I do a fresh install of OSX, the MAS apps are always the quickest and easiest to re-install. The only valid (b…

> Since when is asking for actual reasons ("I don't like it because I don't like it" is not a valid opinion, in my eyes) a "high horse".

Saying things like your opinion is worth less than nothing, being all sanctimonious about being able to "defend" the position, and acting like you're somehow the arbiter of what worth is, is what I was referring to by high horse.

> That's a very subjective opinion.

It's not at all subjective. MAS is an entire platform. A .dmg is just a .dmg.

..defensible? why is there even a need to "defend" a position? I, along with others, prefer to avoid the MAS when possible. period. fact. end of discussion. there's nothing more to say. I very rarely pirate software so that has nothing to do with it. it's just a personal preference. deal with it.

Re: Wire open-sourced

#140

Post by pikachu_is_cool »

saiko-chriskun wrote: post #139
stephenr wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and that high horse is why I didn't comment further initially lol Since when is asking for actual reasons ("I don't like it because I don't like it" is not a valid opinion, in my eyes) a "high horse". > just downloading a .dmg is way less overhead, by definition. That's a very subjective opinion. Each time I do a fresh install of OSX, the MAS apps are always the quickest and easiest to re-install. The only valid (b…

> Since when is asking for actual reasons ("I don't like it because I don't like it" is not a valid opinion, in my eyes) a "high horse". Saying things like your opinion is worth less than nothing, being all sanctimonious about being able to "defend" the position, and acting like you're somehow the arbiter of what worth is, is what I was referring to by high horse. > That's a very subjective opinion. It's not at all s…

> it's just a personal preference. deal with it.

It saddens me how some people fail to realize this. It's like they think that their opinion is objectively right, and everyone else is objectively wrong. How do you expect to make any friends with that attitude? :/

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