Earlier quoted context omitted.
In general I may agree. if the idea was bad to begin with. I would have said cut your loses and get out soon. But in this case it looks like there are some other companies that have entered this market as well. So the problem isn't realy that the idea is bad.
Just because a problem is important, doesn't imply that your team is properly positioned to succeed in the market. If you don't have a good chance of succeeding due to changing circumstances, there's no reason to assume that it's worth the time and capital to continue. These are really tough decisions. You can look at every successful company and, thanks to the hindsight bias, see that success is almost always born t…
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
"someone who needs to hear what I've written" Humbly spoken.
Some people need to hear that it's time to quit, because they're invested in something that's a dead end. Just as you shouldn't throw good money after bad, the same can be said for your time (and your team's time). The important part isn't who said it (in this case it happened to be me), it's the simple fact that sometimes, it's good advice. This was obviously not an original idea of mine. In fact I doubt if I've sai…
Please read the second paragraph in this article:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1604891,00....
How different would the developed world be if he didn't persist in creating his own "Gubmarine" and listened to his colleagues who told him to quit?
Success is the veil of hard work, difficulty, and a whole lotta pain. It's the result of these things (and many more negative things people usually avoid enduring) that we identify as "success". Rarely do we see the torment that the successful go through in order to get where they are.
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#33Mentioned a while ago here was a "martini method", and I realized the above after I started using that a few weeks ago. For review, the modified version of the method I proposed is just to do
while true
do
echo -n `date` " "
svn diff | wc -l
# or git diff -- I'm going to switch to git soon
sleep 600
done
and exercise as much self-control as possible to avoid some specific set of timewasting or otherwise enjoyable activities (traditionally, drinking a martini) until the diff reaches a certain length. (Occasionally I give myself a break if I just came off a hugely productive run the previous day, or if I'm just wiped out from my day job.)However, I accidentally set what turned out to be ridiculously low limits (because of the extra metainformation and surrounding lines of code that svn diff prints out). As it turned out, I didn't need to revise the limits upward, because it turned out I was frequently (not always, but that doesn't matter) staying engrossed in the task long after I'd reached the limit. I realized that it was enough to create an incentive to reach that easy goal, just to get me to switch to the task.
The best part is that I never sit down feeling like I've got some insurmountable pile of work I have to do, even though the project I'm working on as a whole is much larger than I'll ever be able to do by myself. When I task-switch, I'm just focused on thinking of what little piece I can do next. I _can_, if I want, make a few small scattered trivial changes, and I'm done for the day, but usually it's enough to get me thinking about the code, so I usually stay at the keyboard.
The fact that the goal is so easy to reach also makes self-control a lot easier. It's really no big deal if I feel like vegging for the whole evening -- I just have to do a smidge of work first. And I usually find after I've taken that first little step that I wasn't as tired as I thought I was.
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#34Viewed through that lens, then as soon as dissatisfaction or a lack of motivation become chronic rather than intermittent, it's clear that something needs to change.
It sounds like you have been trying to whip yourself into shape -- trying to create external motivations to push you through tasks you no longer find enjoyable on their own. This isn't sustainable; sooner or later you'll run out.
Personally, I:
* Don't beat myself up about time spent procrastinating as long as it's reasonable. Brain breaks (I play a lot of go online) are just fine; it's taken me a lot of work to break the "slack off -> guilt -> demotivation -> more slacking off" cycle,. Hint: The solution is not to crank up the "guilt" lever.
* I make sure I'm not working too much, even when I'm very excited. Things will still be there tomorrow, and in the sober light of day my 2 am code usually sucks.
* I nurture other interests and hobbies, including non-programming ones. I always have a couple of 'learning' side projects going on, and I make sure to go rock climbing (my excercise drug of choice!) at least once a week.
* It's always time to change! My business plan (drawn out in Inkscape) looks like a railyard, with lots of potential branches being added.
* I always start with high expectations and a huge feature list; I've begun to accept that trimming this back is a natural and inevitable part of actually getting anything done. Maybe it would be a good idea for you to call a 'feature freeze' and get a release out? Like someone else said, a year is a long time to be working in a vacuum.
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Time for me to get back to work and stop being distracted, now. ;)
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#35It's difficult to keep motivated when working on back-end improvements that nobody will notice. I'm always re-motivated by improving the UI. It makes a huge difference when you can see the benefits of your work.
Good thing there are both kinds of people, huh?
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#36I always find it useful to go back to the roots, i.e read again that book that made you like programming, play that album that got you into music, watch the movie that made you fall in love with your significant other, read the parts of your code that were the most gratifying to write, and just remember why you initially thought that your startup was going to succeed.
If I want to move forward and make progress, I should look back and think about the past. Perhaps the conditions of the past are no longer relevant to the conditions of the present. Furthermore, I would think that part of the reason why somebody might not be making progress is because they are not paying attention to the conditions of the present while at the same time not reflecting upon the future.
However, what you are describing does have it's purposes as I have done exactly what you've suggested above at some point in the past. While this is a good way to reconnect yourself with past positive states (this helps when you are in a funk sometimes), I have not found this useful to move me forward and be competitive against others; to the contrary, it keeps me longing more for familiarity (the past) as opposed to uncertainty (the future) and whatever might result (good or bad).
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#37When I loose all motivation I take a week off. Generally within a few days I can't wait to get back to work. But I only dabble. I spend a few hours thinking or researching a small, stimulating area of the project. After 7 days I am fully charged up. I've seen my friends. I've spoken about the project, I've got new ideas and I've had a rest. If after a week I still can't face it... well I'm probably screwed. The idea…
In either case, the mind sorts itself. I know EXACTLY what I have to do during my next run and I'm motivated and charged to execute.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just because a problem is important, doesn't imply that your team is properly positioned to succeed in the market. If you don't have a good chance of succeeding due to changing circumstances, there's no reason to assume that it's worth the time and capital to continue. These are really tough decisions. You can look at every successful company and, thanks to the hindsight bias, see that success is almost always born t…
being persistant and/or quiting at the at the right time can both be correct. in this particular case I didn't see the right questions being asked. I don't think we should debate which path to take without knowing anything about the situation. Thats why I originaly say to stop thinking negtive, stop for a few days etc..
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some people need to hear that it's time to quit, because they're invested in something that's a dead end. Just as you shouldn't throw good money after bad, the same can be said for your time (and your team's time). The important part isn't who said it (in this case it happened to be me), it's the simple fact that sometimes, it's good advice. This was obviously not an original idea of mine. In fact I doubt if I've sai…
h34t, Please read the second paragraph in this article: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1604891,00.... How different would the developed world be if he didn't persist in creating his own "Gubmarine" and listened to his colleagues who told him to quit? Success is the veil of hard work, difficulty, and a whole lotta pain. It's the result of these things (and many more negative things people usually avo…
Offering an anecdotal example is very problematic. What about all the other folks who were working on making blue LEDs whose, inventions had no chance of competing with Nakamura's? Because of the survivorship bias, we don't hear about them, yet they are just as important to understanding the dynamics of reality. After his invention was released, are they supposed to continue on the same path? Of course not. It doesn't mean they give up on life, or on themselves, but it does mean that they give up on a mission that they had committed themselves to for some period of time.
I'd never say that a founder should listen blindly to colleagues, and certainly not to me(!), in deciding whether it's worth continuing. These are complex decisions that need to be made carefully.
In short,
Success requires persistence, but persistence does not imply success. Most stories of success will be stories of persistence, but not all stories of persistence will lead to success.
And many stories of success will include "giving up" on previous projects/companies before finding success in a new one.