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Fare Hacking on BART

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Re: Fare Hacking on BART

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The technical component of the post is really interesting and indeed it's a more general problem, but I had a similar reaction to the framing: spending time figuring out how to reduce revenue on public transportation isn't the right problem. That same time 'hacking' could have been spent thinking how to genuinely improve a public service.

It is a fun "what if" problem you might think about if you spend a lot of time on public transit and realize that the system is less than ideal. Of course, no systems are fraud proof, as doing so would usually require more resources than could be justified. Thinking about the system at all is also a nice way of getting started with thinking about how to solve its real problems. Creative juice priming. This is why per…

Personally this is my least favorite artifact from hacker culture. Not necessarily thinking about these things, but the embellishing of it. There used to be a time where information was scares so it was hard to learn thing, today that isn't the case so one should pivot form reverse engineering the system to improving it fairly quickly. Instead people spend a lot of time formalizing how "smart" their hack was. The greater damage is of course that when a lot of people is ready to point out and celebrate inconsistencies it's hard to foster a culture of proposing improvements.

Re: Fare Hacking on BART

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I think he shouldn't have made the source available. Now it's really only the (apparent?) uncloneability of the Clipper cards that stops someone.

I am of the view that anyone who finds an exploit should (generally) do what they feel would have the best result. This would incentivize organisations to create payouts (prizes) for non-public exploits, and it would allow concerned citizens to force a change from generally unmovable bureaucracies.

This is just the latest justification among security people to not having acknowledge their own incompetency in things like risk management. Since when was "doing what you feel" considered a reasoned solution? Many times these things aren't even weaknesses as such, just loose tolerances in the system and exposing them under great fanfare just making the system less flexible. Which is pretty ironic if you think about it.

Re: Fare Hacking on BART

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Another Bart hack; If you fly in to SFO and don't mind walking a few blocks to the San Bruno Bart station you can save about $4.60 each way. For some reason the SFO stop costs a lot extra. The easiest way is to continue on the sky tram to the rental car place. When you get off its a quick half a mile walk over San Bruno ave to Huntington.

If you ask Google maps for walking directions from the rental car station to Bart, it says it's 1.9 miles and 39 minutes. Presumably there are significant shortcuts one can make?

Even if you took every shortcut, you're still looking at least 1.5 miles walk, and a good 40-60 minutes for that $4.60 savings.
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