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Q&A: Bill Gates on investments in energy technologies

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Re: Q&A: Bill Gates on investments in energy technologies

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The story is about the new Breakthrough Energy Coalition. But there's no information on how to contact the coalition with technologies they should consider. http://www.breakthroughenergycoalition.com/en/index.html In fact, their website says this: "BEC does not accept or consider unsolicited ideas, suggestions, information, or materials of any nature whatsoever"

Odds of some random individual coming up with a hitherto unknown energy system or source are low. There are other and better ways to discover same.

We've for forces and four root entropic flows to tap: solar, geothermal, nuclear, and tidal.

(Wind, hydro, biomass, and fossil fuels are all solar in origin.)

I'd bet big money there's nothing else will emerge in the next 20 years.

I'd bet on the next 1,000 if I thought I'd live that long.

Re: Q&A: Bill Gates on investments in energy technologies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also nothing in here about using less energy. I think we will require a lot more energy than ever before. To produce clean water - possibly from ocean water (desalination) - and to add more and more A/C, possibly using different technologies than today (but they'll still require energy input). Water and heat are becoming more and more of a problem for vast regions. The Middle East already is next to unlivable, sett…

fracking - 70 to 140 billion gallons anually animal agriculture - 34 to 76 trillion gallons anually at least we know what wastes a lot of water, the solution is simple, but is not as tasty. as for heating, yes, it's quite a problem. withouthotair.com is a great resource for the approximate numbers.

Neither fracking nor animal agriculture are being done in the Gulf region, or AFAIK (at least not in large scale, and not in regions without sufficient water) in the Middle East. Regions that have enough water can do whatever they want, why would I save water e.g. in Germany or Washington State (coastal region) when there's a shortage in the middle of India, how would that help? Also, I don't see the US as having a water problem - well it does, but they have the resources to do something about it whenever they wish to do so. I'm talking about regions that have a "real" problem, not just one of politics.

Re: Q&A: Bill Gates on investments in energy technologies

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I see some interesting points raised here, though I also have some fundamental disagreements.

Putting those first: what we need isn't more time, or an energy miracle. It's to embrace limits, the fundamental limits of Earth's carrying capacity, and how many people, of a given material affluence, can be supported. This is a question I've been looking at for the past several years, or more accurately, I've spent much of that time trying to figure out what the fundamental question was, starting from "what are the big problems?" My answer:

How do we embrace limits to growth?

Gates raises a few really excellent points.

He dismisses the problem of not having a price on carbon. I'd return that not only is that a problem, but we've a much larger issue of not fully accounting for the creation or replacement price of the fossil fuels we've been consuming at a breakneck rate -- some 5 million years of petroleum accumulation are consumed every year. That itself is an accident and error of early economic theory (one which was very nearly corrected in the late 19th century), and of early theories, and derived law, of mineral rights law (look up the "rule of capture" for a few hours of entertainment).

His mini-biographies on Parsons and Deisel, collectively the two people who now power much of the world, was a telling rebuttal to the claim that capitalism rewards innovation. Neither man made much from their inventions, Deisel, as Gates says, committed suicide in the face of bankruptcy.

On the storage front, there is one possiblity that's open to us: liquid hydrocarbons. They're not a net energy gain, but if we're looking for a storage solution that's high-density, highly flexible, and has very long-term proven storage life (100 million years and counting), electrically-generated synfuels offer a plausible pathway. Specifically seawater-based Fischer-Tropsch fuel synthesis, studied for over 50 years by Brookhaven National Labs, M.I.T., and the US Naval Research Lab. There are undoubtedly complications, but it's an underconsidered option.

Also on the storage front, the Dr. Sadoway mentioned is one of the recent superstars in battery storage technology. His molten salt battery isn't something you'd want to put in a car, but with extremely abundant (cheap!) substrates, could form the basis of city-scale electrical storage. Not for hundreds of millions of years, but days to weeks, evening out supply inconsistancies for a grid dependent on intermittent renewables. The fact that this technology is facing obstacles is disheartening. It's also why I advocate both considering sustainable, carbon-neutral paths to liquid hydrocarbon fuels, and embracing limits.

Re: Q&A: Bill Gates on investments in energy technologies

#34
post #10

The story is about the new Breakthrough Energy Coalition. But there's no information on how to contact the coalition with technologies they should consider. http://www.breakthroughenergycoalition.com/en/index.html In fact, their website says this: "BEC does not accept or consider unsolicited ideas, suggestions, information, or materials of any nature whatsoever"

Odds of some random individual coming up with a hitherto unknown energy system or source are low. There are other and better ways to discover same. We've for forces and four root entropic flows to tap: solar, geothermal, nuclear, and tidal. (Wind, hydro, biomass, and fossil fuels are all solar in origin.) I'd bet big money there's nothing else will emerge in the next 20 years. I'd bet on the next 1,000 if I thought I…

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Re: Q&A: Bill Gates on investments in energy technologies

#35
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the idea of building stuff out of wood. Then we can have nice buildings and store carbon.

There's actually a really good idea in there. After transport, building materials are a large energy consumer. Coming up with alternatives to concrete, steel, aluminium, and similar materials, possibly though biologics, whether low-tech like wood, or self-forming biocrete and biobrick. Paving, especially.

People are working on it eg. http://woodforgood.com/sustainability/build-with-carbon

and a TED talk https://www.ted.com/talks/michael_green_why_we_should_build_...

Re: Q&A: Bill Gates on investments in energy technologies

#36
post #16

I like the idea of building stuff out of wood. Then we can have nice buildings and store carbon

Problem is, good wood grows extremely slowly. Not sure if that can be genetically engineered, or if it is intrinsic to the process of growing cellulose in the right arrangements...

Re: Q&A: Bill Gates on investments in energy technologies

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I see some interesting points raised here, though I also have some fundamental disagreements. Putting those first: what we need isn't more time, or an energy miracle. It's to embrace limits, the fundamental limits of Earth's carrying capacity, and how many people, of a given material affluence, can be supported. This is a question I've been looking at for the past several years, or more accurately, I've spent much of…

I think you missed his point. The earth's carrying capacity for atmospheric co2 has already been exceeded to the point where we have to achieve zero net carbon emissions. Under that assumption, a carbon tax that is not effectively an outright ban is pointless. Also, he does advocate in the article for carbon neutral liquid hydrocarbon fuel production as one possibility although his point is more general.

Re: Q&A: Bill Gates on investments in energy technologies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

fracking - 70 to 140 billion gallons anually animal agriculture - 34 to 76 trillion gallons anually at least we know what wastes a lot of water, the solution is simple, but is not as tasty. as for heating, yes, it's quite a problem. withouthotair.com is a great resource for the approximate numbers.

Neither fracking nor animal agriculture are being done in the Gulf region, or AFAIK (at least not in large scale, and not in regions without sufficient water) in the Middle East. Regions that have enough water can do whatever they want, why would I save water e.g. in Germany or Washington State (coastal region) when there's a shortage in the middle of India, how would that help? Also, I don't see the US as having a w…

I've put fracking numbers to point out the comparison.

Animal agriculture is being done everywhere.

I'm doubting people are eating meat from Brazil, Australia and Denmark in US, Asia or Africa so much that these are the main dots of world animal agriculture.

Re: Q&A: Bill Gates on investments in energy technologies

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What's he saying about a carbon tax? I found it hard to parse.

My best guess at a translation is "the USA is too politically dysfunctional to do the obvious thing that a believer in free market capitalism would do, and so instead we need to rely on pork barrel spending going to energy projects".

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