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Re: Search the DNC email database

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Post by grandalf »

kbenson wrote: post #67
dragonwriter wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What worries me most about a Trump presidency is not local (US) policy, as you rightly point out that he needs legislative support that he doesn't have If a sufficient electoral base exists to elect Trump, a sufficient electoral base exists to get him sufficient legislative support (sooner than new people are elected, perhaps, simply by raising the prospect of electoral danger to present incumbents) to implement hi…

That assumes everyone actually knows what his objectives are before electing him, or that those objectives stay the same after election. Given how often his views have changed so far, I'm not sure that's a safe assumption to make. Edit: Also, to be clear, if he does have legislative support because enough people support him to elect representatives with similar agendas, that's not really something for me to be worrie…

I feel slightly better about this with the knowledge that the office of the president of the US is primarily a status-quo-preserving institution.

The interest groups that care generally want the status quo preserved.

If Trump is not destined to do this, then I think there is little danger he'll be elected.

Note, the same applies to HRC.

Re: Search the DNC email database

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Post by kbenson »

tanderson92 wrote: post #78
kbenson wrote: post #74

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While I agree in this case it's probably bigotry they would be exploiting, how do we differentiate that from an informed view of how someone's thoughts on religion (or birth control, or the belief in evolution, or how to deal with Israeli/Palestinian relations, or trade agreements) might translate into other areas of office? If you think they don't matter, it's bigotry. If you think they do, such as inform as to the…

You raise some good points. I'll grant that this is probably not an area where you would want to create legislation or prosecute the violations. I still contend they are violations: just ones we do not necessarily want to set an example of pursuing,

I agree, and I think a good solution that works (or doesn't, as the public sees fit) is to expose the behavior, which is what we have here. We're having a discussion about it, and agree it's poor behavior, and if it's poor enough or deemed problematic enough, it may make headlines and hurt rather than help the people involved. Again, we have an instance of more (hopefully correct and verified) information being released so the public can do with it what they deem prudent. Thus, we have democracy in action (even when that action may be to choose inaction).

Re: Search the DNC email database

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Post by iconjack »

Natsu wrote: post #54
loopdedoo wrote: post #15

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/?q=off+the+record&mfrom=&mt... "Off the record" is a fun search term to browse.

Yeah, interesting reading. I think they got more 'fingerprints' on this than they wanted, though.... > From: Daniel Strauss [dstrauss1987@me.com ] > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2016 12:25 PM > To: Miranda, Luis > Subject: Deep background question > > Hey > > So we want to see the list of committee appointments the Sanders Folks submitted just to verify it was mostly staffers and ineligible figures. That possible with no fi…

> (Sorry I'm sending this from two email accounts. I hate the iPhone)

I knew it! Lots of people secretly hate the iPhone, but won't admit it public!

Re: Search the DNC email database

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Post by foota »

dtien wrote: post #80
chatmasta wrote: post #49

Lots of social security numbers, credit card numbers, full names, addresses, and phone numbers of very wealthy donors in there. Also, here's one where the DNC creates fake (satirical) craigslist posts advertising jobs for Trump businesses: https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

this actually demonstrates some savvy low level marketing, seems like they were going to redirect 'applicants' to a microsite likely with more satirical anti-Trump stuff. The desire to keep the 'offensive shit ..verbatim' is also quite interesting ( I think ). 1) again, shows some savvy marketing to not step over the line into smearing 2) does anyone know if the phrases in their posts are actually taken from Trump qu…

off the wall eh?

Re: Search the DNC email database

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Post by nitrogen »

drostie wrote: post #31
sickbeard wrote: post #29

The childish side of me typed in "penis" expecting no results. Boy was I wrong.

None of them are particularly interesting, though. So far I'm pretty surprised with how pedestrian it is. Even looking for the word "fuck" reveals few internal communications which use it. In one thread, some guy seems to have gotten a sub-optimal time slot for putting out Democratic-leaning news on CNN, since it's at 6AM rather than closer to near 8:20AM when, it turns out, Obama was going to deliver some statement.…

Is it really professional for the media to be so closely connected to political organizations in the first place?

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Post by totony »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #28
67726e wrote: post #21

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> If you have conservative leaning ideals You very much have an opposite side of the aisle wether you want to admit it or not.

As someone with no stake in US politics (so no 'side of the aisle') both candidates are bad. Trump however is another level of bad. An openly sexist, potentially racist man with no political experience, running for the highest political office in your country is lunacy.

>Openly racist sexist Calling names is not going to do anything

Re: Search the DNC email database

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Post by mk1202 »

Jtsummers wrote: post #50
grandalf wrote: post #14

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So we're supposed to tolerate corruption simply to avoid Trump? Trump offers us a lesson that if we don't take democracy (and the underlying components/principles) seriously, it will decay.

I would really prefer to avoid a 4-year object lesson of that sort. Not saying Hillary will be a good president, but she won't be as bad as him. At least it buys us 4 more years of (roughly) status quo and maybe the disintegration of the Republican party. Which, IMO, would be an objective good thing (same with the Democratic party). Restructured, in 4-8 years with 2-3 viable future parties forming we may have some th…

You're naive. There are rumours that Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run, an attempt to scare people to vote for Hillary. If Hillary wins, she'll be president for 8 years. The DNC won't kick her out, and she's too well connected and smart to face accountability for her actions. The Clintons are above the law. If Trump wins, he'll do such a bad job as president that the Dems could win in 2020 with a better candidate. It's either 8 years of Clinton or 4 years of Trump: your choice.

Re: Search the DNC email database

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Post by mk1202 »

kbenson wrote: post #60
grandalf wrote: post #51

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If a Trump presidency resulted in any changes to the rights of any of the groups you mention, we'd also have congress to blame. The president does not have the power to make laws. We've seen an ostensibly moderate president (Obama) uphold and extend the Bush Doctrine on foreign policy, killing, mutilating, and devastating all sorts of innocent people throughout the middle east. The lesson we'd learn from a Trump pres…

What worries me most about a Trump presidency is not local (US) policy, as you rightly point out that he needs legislative support that he doesn't have to make changes (although he can retard progress through veto power, depending on your definition of progress and his inclination), but the absolute murder he will do to the US reputation and standing in the international community (already a complex topic, and I imag…

What worries me about a Clinton presidency is that she's a threat to world peace. Remember how "Bush lied to invade Iraq"? I see the same thing happening here with the Clinton camp blaming the Russians for the DNC e-mail leak. President Hillary is preparing the American people for a possible WW3 with Russia. She's clearly showing her intentions.

Re: Search the DNC email database

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Post by kbenson »

mk1202 wrote: post #89
kbenson wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What worries me most about a Trump presidency is not local (US) policy, as you rightly point out that he needs legislative support that he doesn't have to make changes (although he can retard progress through veto power, depending on your definition of progress and his inclination), but the absolute murder he will do to the US reputation and standing in the international community (already a complex topic, and I imag…

What worries me about a Clinton presidency is that she's a threat to world peace. Remember how "Bush lied to invade Iraq"? I see the same thing happening here with the Clinton camp blaming the Russians for the DNC e-mail leak. President Hillary is preparing the American people for a possible WW3 with Russia. She's clearly showing her intentions.

I don't think that's very plausible at all. You really think a career politician who knows that both countries routinely probe and hack each other is going to go to war over this? Anything she says will be to affect Russia's international standing and embarrass them for getting caught, and possibly to maneuver for a better deal somewhere else.

That the US would go to war over the hacking of a non-governmental institution is ridiculous, and whoever is spouting stuff like that should immediately lose quite a bit of credibility with whoever is listening. Only congress can officially start a war, and if the president started getting aggressive with a country such as powerful as Russa over something so small, well, there would be some interesting ramifications to presidential power. Remember, congress has the ability to amend the constitution.

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