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What Silicon Valley Insiders Think of Peter Thiel’s Speech at RNC

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Re: What Silicon Valley Insiders Think of Peter Thiel’s Speech at RNC

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> Speaking privately, Thiel’s allies could only conjecture reasons for his unexpected partnership with Trump; many expressed frustration with how anyone could support a candidate so unpredictable. I could come up with a few pretty obvious reasons why a gay libertarian like Thiel would support trump. 1) Democrats support the resettling of millions of Muslims to the West that have been indoctrinated in an ideology that…

1. This is a complete straw man, no one wants to accept the intolerant into our society. They merely want to help those who are in dire need. The majority of Muslims don't care what others do, they just want to follow their own religion in peace, and those are the kind of people they want to help. 2. This isn't a democrat thing, every political ideology has some extremists that are intolerant of everyone that doesn't…

> 1. This is a complete straw man, no one wants to accept the intolerant into our society. They merely want to help those who are in dire need. The majority of Muslims don't care what others do, they just want to follow their own religion in peace, and those are the kind of people they want to help.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religi...

Only in 3 out of 36 Muslim countries surveyed 1 in 10 Muslims believes that homosexuality is morally acceptable. This means that even in those 3 most tolerant Muslim countries 90% view homosexuality as unacceptable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_terr...

In the Muslim areas of Northern Africa and the Middle East you'll find that homosexuality is almost universally criminalised.

People living in Muslim countries overwhelmingly disapprove and many even hate homosexuals and that's why this orientation is criminalised in their countries. Yet when they come to Europe or the US they magically turn into gay tolerant citizens?

> 2. This isn't a democrat thing, every political ideology has some extremists that are intolerant of everyone that doesn't support their view. The only reason for saying this is to create an us vs them dichotomy. Saying this will never ever lead to positive political discussions.

You don't actually believe that anyone has to fear for his job, family and life if he supports Liberals in the West like Hillary.

I've never seen even one example of someone getting fired for supporting Liberals in the West, yet I've seen many reports of people who were fired because someone made a screenshot of an anti Hillary or pro Trump comment and sent it to their bosses.

> 3. Is he really? I see it like this: The reason manufacturing and unskilled labor jobs are disappearing is because the free market favors things being produced in China....

What I said is that regulations and increased taxes inhibit private sector growth at the cost of government growth, I didn't say anything about China or low skilled labor. We in the West could increase our competitiveness with lower taxes, less regulations and more freedoms, because this also directly effects the cost of production. No trade wars needed.

Instead all we do is increase taxes, create more debt and over regulate everything. And why do we need this? Because we have a social system in place since the 60ties that is supposedly fighting poverty and is constantly growing, yet poverty gets worse and worse.

And then there's public schools that are run by Liberals for decades now, which have gotten so bad that I honestly consider the possibility that they are actually trying hard to produce as many poor, illiterate and government dependant people/voters as possible.

Re: What Silicon Valley Insiders Think of Peter Thiel’s Speech at RNC

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Honestly, this type of thinking is part of the problem. Silicon Valley should be about ideas and innovation, not alignment with some PC racial quota dogma.

Personal attacks are not welcome on HN. Please (re)-read the site guidelines and edit such stuff out of your comments here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12149564 and marked it off-topic.

Fixed. Sorry.

Re: What Silicon Valley Insiders Think of Peter Thiel’s Speech at RNC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"History on our side" is a pretty common phrase, used by people of varying political stripes. A quick Google Books search turns up British MPs using it in the 1940s and George H.W. Bush using it in the 1990s, among others.

It's a bit of ideological poison, extracted from the root of the dialectical materialism tree (aka 'scientific socialism', as defined in the poems of Marx and Engels). The allegedly scientific basis is that there is an unstoppable march of historical progress, and you should cheer it on and actively lay waste to the obstacles that are going to be swept aside anyway. (Yes, it's a strange creed.)

Isn't that more or less standard American ideology too? Manifest destiny, American exceptionalism, disruptive innovation... a whole cocktail of unstoppable onward marching. They disagree with the Marxists mostly in what is gloriously marching ever onwards, not that there is something doing so. There's even a popular patriotic song, The Battle Hymn of the Republic, about the onward marching.

Re: What Silicon Valley Insiders Think of Peter Thiel’s Speech at RNC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bit of ideological poison, extracted from the root of the dialectical materialism tree (aka 'scientific socialism', as defined in the poems of Marx and Engels). The allegedly scientific basis is that there is an unstoppable march of historical progress, and you should cheer it on and actively lay waste to the obstacles that are going to be swept aside anyway. (Yes, it's a strange creed.)

Isn't that more or less standard American ideology too? Manifest destiny, American exceptionalism, disruptive innovation... a whole cocktail of unstoppable onward marching. They disagree with the Marxists mostly in what is gloriously marching ever onwards, not that there is something doing so. There's even a popular patriotic song, The Battle Hymn of the Republic , about the onward marching.

Look, this isn't an ideology. More of an approach (not sure of the academic term for it, sorry.) I think it's marxist, though others have had the "inevitability of history" at times. As for your examples...

Manifest destiny = forward looking. Wasn't good justification for expansion, though good justfications did exist.

American exceptionalism = backward looking

disruptive innovation = Neither, more just an adjective.

Re: What Silicon Valley Insiders Think of Peter Thiel’s Speech at RNC

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> 14 said they would not personally do business with him as a result. One of the most interesting things about current politics. I've always found it odd that republicans haven't picked up on this and tried to seize on the opportunity to create an incubator for republican leaning/apolitical companies. Seems like there would be a tremendous amount of opportunity there given the success of fox news, particularly for an…

"incubator for republican leaning/apolitical companies"

That's precisely what they did. Their focus has been media, think tanks, politics instead of tech. They've been fantastically successful.

Re: What Silicon Valley Insiders Think of Peter Thiel’s Speech at RNC

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> Speaking privately, Thiel’s allies could only conjecture reasons for his unexpected partnership with Trump; many expressed frustration with how anyone could support a candidate so unpredictable. I could come up with a few pretty obvious reasons why a gay libertarian like Thiel would support trump. 1) Democrats support the resettling of millions of Muslims to the West that have been indoctrinated in an ideology that…

"Democrats support the resettling of millions of Muslims to the West that have been indoctrinated in an ideology that calls for killing gays."

Full stop. What? I stopped reading right there.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I've never even heard such a stupid idea before.

Oh. "The West", not the USA's West Coast. You're channeling David Rubin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Rubin

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11553708

The "regressive left" and endorsing terrorism and other fever dreams. He's just making shit up.

Re: What Silicon Valley Insiders Think of Peter Thiel’s Speech at RNC

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> Speaking privately, Thiel’s allies could only conjecture reasons for his unexpected partnership with Trump; many expressed frustration with how anyone could support a candidate so unpredictable. I could come up with a few pretty obvious reasons why a gay libertarian like Thiel would support trump. 1) Democrats support the resettling of millions of Muslims to the West that have been indoctrinated in an ideology that…

"Democrats support the resettling of millions of Muslims to the West that have been indoctrinated in an ideology that calls for killing gays." Full stop. What? I stopped reading right there. I have no idea what you're talking about. I've never even heard such a stupid idea before. Oh. "The West", not the USA's West Coast. You're channeling David Rubin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Rubin https://news.ycombinator…

Sorry I don't understand, I don't even know David Rubin.

I'm living in the EU which is run by liberals/lefts and I can clearly see that they are pushing hard against the peoples will to allow millions of Muslims to resettle here. (And Obama/Hillary never fail to support this policy)

I did not say that these liberals endorse terrorism, I just say that they are doing it against the will of the people and that there are a lot of legitimate concerns that we have (terrorism, violence, sexual harassment) which are being ignored or often shut down by creating an atmosphere where everyone who disagrees has to fear being labeled a racist or Nazi.

These people don't even know what Nazis were. Nazis themselves were Socialists! Their party name was "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" - in English: "Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party"

Re: What Silicon Valley Insiders Think of Peter Thiel’s Speech at RNC

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post #38

As an attorney and someone in tech, I used to strongly admire Thiel. He left biglaw and took a gamble, and it paid off. But between his support for Trump and the Gawker nonsense, I no longer have any respect for the man. Anyone on record supporting trump is on the wrong side of history.

On some issues maybe, on others probably not. I think he's on the right side of one key issue: http://www.salon.com/2016/06/22/donald_trump_is_no_lgbt_ally... . As a Bangladeshi with a beard I don't say that lightly, but we're at a weird point in history where only a guy not afraid of being called racist,[1] can take a stand (however opportunistic) on what is becoming a worldwide assault on cherished liberal social v…

You're a brown guy with a beard. May I please hear your experiences in America? Do you feel people have been unfair to you ever? Have they been more unfair recently?

By the way (if you don't mind me asking), did you have an Islamic upbringing? (as most Bengalis do I think). If you did, when did you decide to get away from it?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an irony to using the marxist derived "side of history" construct to support something you believe in. If there really is such a thing as history taking sides, Marx and his followers very clearly ended up on the wrong side. I imagine those co-opting the phrase now will suffer the same fate.

Even Political Correctness is a Socialist construct: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness#Early-to...

hmm... So many of the "social justice" and "progressive" ideas have marxist roots.

Re: What Silicon Valley Insiders Think of Peter Thiel’s Speech at RNC

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post #42

Silicon valley is increasingly adopting way too much of the PC groupthink as of late. There's absolutely nothing and nobody that is truly disrupting anything. Even the word "disrupting" has become a cliche adlibs fill in the blank for pitching "new ideas". Gone are the middle-class rebels (jobs/clark) that don't care what anybody thinks, in are the ivy-league-ish conformers that want wall street funding and friendly…

> There's absolutely nothing and nobody that is truly disrupting anything It's not for want of trying. http://urbit.org And my own humble efforts in this regard: https://sc4.us

Oh, and I shouldn't have said "absolutely nothing and nobody". That's not fair or accurate. I could have expressed that sentiment better. Incidentally, it's a POV Thiel shares, I believe.
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