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Re: Wire open-sourced

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Probably not, scince Signal doesn't really support secure web communication (without phone routing).

What do you mean? Are you objecting to the phone number used as username?

It's not just a phone number, but also the IMEI. And the objection is that the service makes it (intential) very hard to use it anonymously.

Re: Wire open-sourced

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I found a file that is available as either MIT or GPL. Or is it only available under a union of the terms of both licenses? An intersection? Who knows, IANAL. https://github.com/wireapp/wire-webapp/blob/0cf9bf4/aws/main... Why do people copy the license all over the place like that?

That file is GPL but parts of it were adapted from MIT-licensed code (which the MIT license allows). It can be treated as GPL.

Re: Wire open-sourced

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I don't get how they can make statements like this "Only Wire offers fully encrypted calls, video and group chats available on all your devices". Webrtc is encrypted by default.

The other signal/axolotl protocol based systems currently don't support true multi device solutions. It's not a limitation of the protocol, after all Wire is based on it, too, just that Signal/WhatsApp decided not to implement it.

Wire has true multi device support (basically multiple keys per identity)

Re: Wire open-sourced

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I also avoid the MAS when possible.

That still doesn't answer my question of why.

Because it's horrible UX. I don't want to open a whole other application, search for it on their placeform, and then authenticate with AppleID.

Instead you can just download a .dmg or a .zip right from their website, like how it's been done for aeons.

Re: Wire open-sourced

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That still doesn't answer my question of why.

Because it's horrible UX. I don't want to open a whole other application, search for it on their placeform, and then authenticate with AppleID. Instead you can just download a .dmg or a .zip right from their website, like how it's been done for aeons.

What searching? The developer links you directly to their app in the store.

For free apps you don't necessarily need to enter a password, for paid apps it's still simpler than whatever payment system the developer might be using.

With the MAS you can go from viewing the app/developer website to the app being installed in as little as two clicks.

How is that worse ux than manually downloading an archive/image, opening the file, moving the .app bundle or running the installer.

There are some valid criticisms of the MAS. UX on the install process is not one of them.

Re: Wire open-sourced

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Why does this Android app require a phone number to sign up? At least Hangouts lets me use the app without a phone number.

You can register with just an email, using a desktop web browser at http://app.wire.com, then use that account to login on mobile. Unclear why it's not possible to register a new email-only account from the mobile app.

Re: Wire open-sourced

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I've been asking for three things from Signal for the past almost two years:

1) desktop app

2) video call support

3) self-deleting messages

Signal finally (sort of) delivered a desktop app, but it still doesn't have the other two. Wire has the first two, but it's still lacking the last one. I hope one of them will have all three of these features soon.

Re: Wire open-sourced

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Why does this Android app require a phone number to sign up? At least Hangouts lets me use the app without a phone number.

You can register with just an email, using a desktop web browser at http://app.wire.com , then use that account to login on mobile. Unclear why it's not possible to register a new email-only account from the mobile app.

I hope they will fix this.

Re: Wire open-sourced

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I don't get how they can make statements like this "Only Wire offers fully encrypted calls, video and group chats available on all your devices". Webrtc is encrypted by default.

The other signal/axolotl protocol based systems currently don't support true multi device solutions. It's not a limitation of the protocol, after all Wire is based on it, too, just that Signal/WhatsApp decided not to implement it. Wire has true multi device support (basically multiple keys per identity)

Not sure what you're definition of "true multi device" is, but Signal Desktop does not do phone routing and functions whether your mobile device has connectivity or not: https://whispersystems.org/blog/signal-desktop-public/
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