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Re: Google tags Wikileaks as a dangerous site

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Post by Natsu » Sat, Jul 23, 2016, 6:32 AM UTC

gkoberger wrote: post #49

nl wrote: post #47

The biggest downside to the NSA revelations is how quickly people accept conspiracy theories. Wikileaks just released a big email dump. People looked at it with Google Chrome, and it detected malware in the archive. That blacklisted the site it was downloaded from. There is no big "Google is protecting the Democrats and hates Wikileaks". Wikileaks was serving malware, and Google detected it.

Really? The takeaway I got from the NSA revelations was that it's now completely reasonable to assume that Google/FB/Twitter/etc are working directly with the government or politicians. Twitter removed #DNCLeaks right while it was the top trending topic today. Reddit paid staff has been suspending people who talk about Correct The Record or the DNC leaks. Facebook admitted to filtering certain topics due to political…

And on HN, the stories about it that were on the front page vanished pretty quickly.

Of course, I think that might be due to political-story related 'gravity' at work. I didn't see dang or anyone else comment, though, and they normally do if they've done any sort of moderation.

Re: Google tags Wikileaks as a dangerous site

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Post by SixSigma » Sat, Jul 23, 2016, 7:24 AM UTC

gkoberger wrote: post #49

nl wrote: post #47

The biggest downside to the NSA revelations is how quickly people accept conspiracy theories. Wikileaks just released a big email dump. People looked at it with Google Chrome, and it detected malware in the archive. That blacklisted the site it was downloaded from. There is no big "Google is protecting the Democrats and hates Wikileaks". Wikileaks was serving malware, and Google detected it.

Really? The takeaway I got from the NSA revelations was that it's now completely reasonable to assume that Google/FB/Twitter/etc are working directly with the government or politicians. Twitter removed #DNCLeaks right while it was the top trending topic today. Reddit paid staff has been suspending people who talk about Correct The Record or the DNC leaks. Facebook admitted to filtering certain topics due to political…

Google is a $0.5-$1m donator to the Clinton Foundation

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/clinton-foundati...

Re: Google tags Wikileaks as a dangerous site

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Post by woah » Sat, Jul 23, 2016, 7:27 AM UTC

nl wrote: post #61

gkoberger wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying this particular theory is true. It's probably a mistake. I'm just saying that it's completely reasonable to be suspicious and ask questions, however, given that we have definitive proof that Google is known to work with the government.

"Work with government" means lots of things. The NSA leaks proved that the NSA hacked Google's network infrastructure. That isn't exactly "working with the government". There are other things where Google does work with the US and other governments. I believe they pass Flu Trends data to the CDC for example.... And which government branch do you think that Google is working with here? The #DNCLeaks thing is a anti-Hi…

Presidential candidates used to be nominated by party insiders. The primary system was supposed to allow the voters to choose democratic and republican candidates.

It's been pretty clear this election that the Democratic Party has gone back to the old way. I don't personally object that much because I don't vote democrat, but it's not just "inside baseball". My guess is that you don't want to hear about it because you are rooting for the democrats.

Re: Google tags Wikileaks as a dangerous site

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Post by colordrops » Sat, Jul 23, 2016, 7:35 AM UTC

nl wrote: post #61

gkoberger wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying this particular theory is true. It's probably a mistake. I'm just saying that it's completely reasonable to be suspicious and ask questions, however, given that we have definitive proof that Google is known to work with the government.

"Work with government" means lots of things. The NSA leaks proved that the NSA hacked Google's network infrastructure. That isn't exactly "working with the government". There are other things where Google does work with the US and other governments. I believe they pass Flu Trends data to the CDC for example.... And which government branch do you think that Google is working with here? The #DNCLeaks thing is a anti-Hi…

> The NSA leaks proved that the NSA hacked Google's network infrastructure.

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Total misinformation. They WORKED with the NSA. Do you not remember the PRISM program?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

You really should stop spreading ignorance and misinformation. You should also disclose that you work in the National Security industry, at a Palantir equivalent in Australia.

Re: Google tags Wikileaks as a dangerous site

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Post by jfoutz » Sat, Jul 23, 2016, 7:43 AM UTC

nl wrote: post #54

gkoberger wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? The takeaway I got from the NSA revelations was that it's now completely reasonable to assume that Google/FB/Twitter/etc are working directly with the government or politicians. Twitter removed #DNCLeaks right while it was the top trending topic today. Reddit paid staff has been suspending people who talk about Correct The Record or the DNC leaks. Facebook admitted to filtering certain topics due to political…

The alternative interpretation is that the #DNCLeaks don't seem very interesting. I don't know why Twitter removed it (assuming that did happen), but to me it looks like most of the same people tweeting about are also tweeting about #Munich and or Tim Kaine, both of which are trending. If I was building a trends algorithm I'd try to aim for diversity of sources of trends. I have no idea about Reddit. The first search…

The dnc creating fake ads for employment @ jobs@trump.com was funny and disturbing. The satirical take was funny, but it also has a swatting kind of vibe to it. IMHO, some of the emails were disturbing. learning how the sausage is made is eye opening.

Re: Google tags Wikileaks as a dangerous site

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Post by SixSigma » Sat, Jul 23, 2016, 7:46 AM UTC

nl wrote: post #65

colordrops wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no big "Google is protecting the Democrats and hates Wikileaks" . Yes there is, and it's not a conspiracy theory. It's fact: http://qz.com/520652/groundwork-eric-schmidt-startup-working... http://www.newsweek.com/assange-google-not-what-it-seems-279...

Of course many at Google support the Democrat party. That's pretty well known. I assume there are plenty of Republicans too. Peter Thiel is an early investor in Facebook, and he spoke at the Trump convention. Marc Andreessen is well known as a (non-Trump!) conservative supporter. I don't see that any of these things prove anything except that people are political. Show me some evidence that "Google is protecting the…

Do corporate donations to the Clinton Foundation count ?

$0.5m - $1m by Google

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/clinton-foundati...

Larry Page is also a big donator ($60m+) to The Vanguard Charitable Endowment - that is Rob McKay's foundation. They, in turn, fund George Soro's Democracy Alliance [1] which fund groups such as Black Lives Matter [2].

Soros has given $6m to Clinton

Charitable foundations are a veritable rabbit warren of cross funding shenanagins, covertly political under the guise of good deeds.

[1] http://democracyalliance.org/ [2] http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/big-democratic-donors-consid...

Re: Google tags Wikileaks as a dangerous site

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Post by MichaelGG » Sat, Jul 23, 2016, 7:46 AM UTC

colordrops wrote: post #74

nl wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Work with government" means lots of things. The NSA leaks proved that the NSA hacked Google's network infrastructure. That isn't exactly "working with the government". There are other things where Google does work with the US and other governments. I believe they pass Flu Trends data to the CDC for example.... And which government branch do you think that Google is working with here? The #DNCLeaks thing is a anti-Hi…

> The NSA leaks proved that the NSA hacked Google's network infrastructure. . Total misinformation. They WORKED with the NSA. Do you not remember the PRISM program? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) You really should stop spreading ignorance and misinformation. You should also disclose that you work in the National Security industry, at a Palantir equivalent in Australia.

Citation? Nothing there says Google worked with the government. In fact, the article has Google saying the opposite. The slides just say "direct access" with no clarification.

Can you point me to exactly what you're reading that indicates Google worked with the NSA ?

Re: Google tags Wikileaks as a dangerous site

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Post by __m » Sat, Jul 23, 2016, 7:52 AM UTC

nchelluri wrote: post #25

user837728 wrote: post #11

This is technically accurate since I found out myself this week when browsing the AKP email leak. Some of the attachments in the emails were clearly malware of some sort. See for example: https://wikileaks.org/akp-emails/emailid/27482

The exact same thing happened to me when I was downloading a email containing a MIME base64 encoded PDF. I was curious as to what it was so I clicked the download button and Chrome warned me that it was malicious. Funny, it doesn't give that same warning on this URL now. I've downloaded it and base64 decoded it but I'm slightly afraid to open it; I don't know how I'd do it safely. On a VM with no internet connection…

do a static binary analysis, for the fun, or just submit it to something like virustotal.

Re: Google tags Wikileaks as a dangerous site

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Post by peteretep » Sat, Jul 23, 2016, 8:06 AM UTC

SixSigma wrote: post #72

gkoberger wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? The takeaway I got from the NSA revelations was that it's now completely reasonable to assume that Google/FB/Twitter/etc are working directly with the government or politicians. Twitter removed #DNCLeaks right while it was the top trending topic today. Reddit paid staff has been suspending people who talk about Correct The Record or the DNC leaks. Facebook admitted to filtering certain topics due to political…

Google is a $0.5-$1m donator to the Clinton Foundation http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/clinton-foundati...

So a tiny one, by either organisation's standard

Re: Google tags Wikileaks as a dangerous site

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Post by vectorpush » Sat, Jul 23, 2016, 8:08 AM UTC

nl wrote: post #54

gkoberger wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? The takeaway I got from the NSA revelations was that it's now completely reasonable to assume that Google/FB/Twitter/etc are working directly with the government or politicians. Twitter removed #DNCLeaks right while it was the top trending topic today. Reddit paid staff has been suspending people who talk about Correct The Record or the DNC leaks. Facebook admitted to filtering certain topics due to political…

The alternative interpretation is that the #DNCLeaks don't seem very interesting. I don't know why Twitter removed it (assuming that did happen), but to me it looks like most of the same people tweeting about are also tweeting about #Munich and or Tim Kaine, both of which are trending. If I was building a trends algorithm I'd try to aim for diversity of sources of trends. I have no idea about Reddit. The first search…

> The alternative interpretation is that the #DNCLeaks don't seem very interesting.

The e-mails contain details of strategic political planning on the part of the DNC, and although there doesn't seem to be much in the way of nefarious behavior described within, there is frank discussion of political strategy in dry terms that will damage the DNC's (and thus Hillary's) image even though this is how all political organizations operate. Unfortunately for Hillary, there is no RNC e-mail leak, so "this is how all political organizations work" won't be a sufficient defense in the wake of this leak and you can be assured that the conservative media is going to frame the content within these e-mails as cynically as possible. There is also the possibility that there is something legitimately damning yet to be uncovered.