Thank you! Wire is the best, with multiple device support, clean mobile app, and a desktop client. It'd be nice if it were a standard open protocol so everyone could implement it, and find a way to allow federation. I'd pay to help support.
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#23I wonder how they encrypted their chat on the web client. Scince the Signal protocol is kind of the gold standard right now, probably their solution might in the end be the better one.
> Since the Signal protocol is kind of the gold standard right now Oy vey. The perils of reading HN too much.
What, in your opinion, is the gold standard?
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#24I believe all their good intentions and I do hope they succeed. But for me it's too early to tell whether their business model will hold. If they build up a sufficiently large user base, but fail to monetize it and sell the company to e.g. Microsoft or Facebook, then I doubt how much of their original privacy / openness remains.
Another thing that I wonder about: Does being Swiss-based give them a privacy advantage?
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#25A bold move by Wire. Open source is still a very disruptive play, and the world needs something like this. If they manage this well and triple down on developer engagement, it could work out quite nicely for them. EDIT: Thread title is slightly misleading. It looks like they did a Telegram. There is no server here.
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#26Now all this needs is a few good third party audits, verifiable builds and it's the holy grail of encrypted communications!
I would say the Holy Grail would be fully decentralized without needing central servers, but this does look cool nonetheless.
I am very hopeful that Briar (https://briarproject.org/) will achieve this. They don't use any centralized infrastructure, the app works even when the net is down, and they have e completely distributed and thus uncensorable forums and blogs.
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#27I must say that my first impression is beyond positive.
One to one and group chats, group video and audio calls, GIF search built-in, doodles, the best implementation of photos in the message stream that I've seen, poking and playable Spotify and Soundcloud music by just sharing links? All with end-to-end encryption?
I have that "too good to be true" feeling but, still impressed. Just waiting for possible audits and more feedback from the security community.
Edit: It's also Switzerland based, already supports Win10, MacOS, Web, Android and iOS, and to complete has the cleanest design I've seen in a messaging app.
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I would say the Holy Grail would be fully decentralized without needing central servers, but this does look cool nonetheless.
I am very hopeful that Briar ( https://briarproject.org/ ) will achieve this. They don't use any centralized infrastructure, the app works even when the net is down, and they have e completely distributed and thus uncensorable forums and blogs.
Interesting. Do you know how they handle identity/usernames/contact discovery without central servers?
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#29I must say that my first impression is beyond positive. One to one and group chats, group video and audio calls, GIF search built-in, doodles, the best implementation of photos in the message stream that I've seen, poking and playable Spotify and Soundcloud music by just sharing links? All with end-to-end encryption? I have that "too good to be true" feeling but, still impressed. Just waiting for possible audits and…
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#30I must say that my first impression is beyond positive. One to one and group chats, group video and audio calls, GIF search built-in, doodles, the best implementation of photos in the message stream that I've seen, poking and playable Spotify and Soundcloud music by just sharing links? All with end-to-end encryption? I have that "too good to be true" feeling but, still impressed. Just waiting for possible audits and…
I've been using it for a while just with 1 other friend who has it, and it's without a doubt my favourite IM as far as interface/functionality/etc.
As usual it's just the matter of getting other people to use it. Everyone I know just uses FB Messenger or Telegram now.