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Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by mindslight »

maratd wrote: post #324
mindslight wrote: post #171

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Free software is merely user- unfriendly (presently). Webapps are user-hostile - overtly functioning as agents of third parties rather than their users. Blame isn't singular - describing users as lazy, including ourselves for using this website, both encourages individuals to exert more effort adopting better solutions and just plainly characterizes the problem. I do agree that the most productive way forward is for…

> Webapps are user-hostile What? What if I wrote it for my own use? What if it's among the thousands of web apps meant to be installed on a server you control? There's nothing inherent about the technology that requires third party control.

"Webapp" generally implies something administered by a third party. The extra overhead of (dedicated server, network setup, redundancy, each user requiring connectivity) only pays off when it's amortized over many users who do not have to set things up.

Sure, some of these release their code as "open source" and you can setup your own copy. But I've never heard of one where the majority of users actually do so [0].

There are some locally-hosted applications that are intended to make themselves available on :::80 that use a browser as a UI toolkit, similar to how we can have a native app that links a browser as a library. But such things generally aren't referred to as webapps. The network transit seems integral to this term.

[0] Well there's probably some developer-focused tools where this could be the case because said developers already have to deal with "web stuff" and so the additional overhead isn't as high. But this doesn't generalize to all users.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by arprocter »

existencebox wrote: post #19
jfoutz wrote: post #10

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Yeah, i can see that. Finish a big project and have a beer with your team. I have a hard time seeing that as a daily or even weekly thing.

I'd like to give a counter-perspective, since those who drink at work are often grouped as "brogrammers" when I don't feel like the term encapsulates the environment I'm seeking at all; I have a group of mixed engineer/PM peers accumulated from multiple past jobs who perhaps once a month after work on a friday go to a bar for happy hour and just shoot the shit about work. We have non-drinkers there (we'd glady have m…

Something that often goes unmentioned is that there's a huge difference between having a pint over lunch and getting trashed.

A well rested person with a little beer in them is going to probably be less incompetent than someone who was up all night with insomnia.

I'm intolerant to caffeine and if I drank the same amount of coffee some folks drink it would leave me a juddering wreck

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by empath75 »

amyjess wrote: post #393
MustardTiger wrote: post #277

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Every single thing you said is incorrect. Reddit ranked high when searching for jailbait, that does not mean jailbait was the largest search that brought people to reddit. The "toxic culture" predates the jailbait sub. And stormfront does not recruit on reddit, reddit recruits for stormfront. The insane, dishonest, censorious leftism that runs rampant on reddit is driving people to become racist, and sexist, and homo…

> Also many of the subs being punished are in no way vile. They are just too popular and not leftist. You mean subreddits like /r/european and /r/truecels? Where death threats against women in interracial relationships were common? Where it was common to wish rape on women who don't hate Muslims? Where the former subreddit routinely called for ethnic cleansing and the latter subreddit talked about how western women a…

/r/incel is the new /r/truecels

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by dghughes »

My uncle used to say to me nothing ruins a business faster than changing it. He gave an example of a diner that did well for decades then decided to expand and very soon after went out of business; bankrupt.

To me reddit has done well because it has stayed the same for years digg is the diner that expanded.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by MOARDONGZPLZ »

dangresponse wrote: post #302
dang wrote: post #219

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I don't care about that. I care about HN not sucking, and that requires commenters to be more charitable.

I'll assume you're not included in that opinion. Because attacking a fair comment was uncalled for; but allowed because you're an admin. The reason why we use throwaways is precisely because of sporadic and heavy-handed "moderation" by you and your employees. Not only that, but you engage in hellbanning. It's an absolutely disgusting practice, which only encourages us more honest users to hide behind throwaways... Or…

Hellban? The only person I have ever seen use that term regularly is the same one who "coined" the term "VC-istan."

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by setpatchaddress »

vec wrote: post #416
ythl wrote: post #349

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> This strategy backfired immensely when the Donald Trump subreddit ended up being the only one reporting on the news. Say what you will about republicans, but they often end up being the biggest defenders of constitutional rights. Democrats on the other hand (aka "progressives") are always looking for ways to limit constitutional rights in order to create a "safer society" and stable "social climate". Just look at E…

Speaking as a progressive, that's because most of us consider the US Constitution to be a means, rather than an end unto itself. We tend to make a strong distinction between Natural and Legal Rights[1] and to group the Constitution into the latter category. And Legal Rights are useful only insofar as they align with the underlying Natural Rights they support (i.e. life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness). Our con…

Speaking as a progressive, you shouldn't buy into Republican framing here. Republicans are adamant about changing, misinterpreting or ignoring the constitution when it suits them.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by dang »

makomk wrote: post #248
dingo_bat wrote: post #231

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>makes it sound like they didn't actually care about Reddit So the inference made by the commenter conflicts with the inference made by you. So what? Maybe they (reddit founders) really didn't care, maybe they did. Cases can be made for both, with varying degrees of conviction. The whole thing is highly subjective. I don't agree with the conclusion either, but it's not a mindless personal attack. To me it's an opinio…

HN is something of a safe space for the Silicon Valley startup industry in the "forbids discussion" sense - a place protected from ideas that might make them uncomfortable, that question whether they're actually improving the world or actually understand the people they claim to be helping.

That's massively untrue and a good example of the kind of thing people imagine and then project onto HN.

In fact a plurality of this community is critical and skeptical of Silicon Valley (which is fine when the criticism is substantive and not when it isn't, as with anything else). And certainly the vast majority of HN users resides far away from SV.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by dragonwriter »

rplst8 wrote: post #423
vec wrote: post #416

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Speaking as a progressive, that's because most of us consider the US Constitution to be a means, rather than an end unto itself. We tend to make a strong distinction between Natural and Legal Rights[1] and to group the Constitution into the latter category. And Legal Rights are useful only insofar as they align with the underlying Natural Rights they support (i.e. life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness). Our con…

> We tend to make a strong distinction between Natural and Legal Rights[1] and to group the Constitution into the latter category The framers debated the inclusion of the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution for the simple fact that enumerating the rights made them appear though they were "granted" or in your words "Legal Rights." Furthermore, just by entertaining the idea that they should be explicitly enumerated,…

> The framers debated the inclusion of the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution for the simple fact that enumerating the rights made them appear though they were "granted" or in your words "Legal Rights."

No, they debated them because any enumeration would fail to be exhaustive, and they wanted to avoid omissions from negating rights. There was no mistake on either side that the rights written into law would be legal rights, even if they were motivated by conceptions of natural rights.

The confusion of the Bill of Rights with a statement of natural rights rather than a set of legal rights designed to achieve goals set by moral principles which include a particular concept of natural rights is a more recent phenomenon.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by dang »

dangresponse wrote: post #302
dang wrote: post #219

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I don't care about that. I care about HN not sucking, and that requires commenters to be more charitable.

I'll assume you're not included in that opinion. Because attacking a fair comment was uncalled for; but allowed because you're an admin. The reason why we use throwaways is precisely because of sporadic and heavy-handed "moderation" by you and your employees. Not only that, but you engage in hellbanning. It's an absolutely disgusting practice, which only encourages us more honest users to hide behind throwaways... Or…

Of course I'm included. I'm far from perfect, but do work on it every day, which is all we ask of others.

If you want your claims about HN moderation abuse taken seriously, you'll need to supply links to specific cases of alleged abuse. Outraged comments such as this one almost never do so, and on the rare occasions when they have, I have not observed the community agreeing.

Data suggests that these comments are typically posted by a tiny number of users who create multiple accounts to do it. If there were reason to believe that the broader community felt the same way, we'd be a lot more proactive about changing how we moderate HN. But in fact the evidence points to the reverse.

What you said about banning is misleading. In the majority of cases we post publicly about it: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=....

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

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Post by tyleraldrich »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #432
tyleraldrich wrote: post #406

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I don't know of any game makers that do this. They probably should, like how Dota 2 will put players who abandon games often into games with other leavers, but most popular games go through "ban waves" to get rid of groups of cheaters at once (Valve has done this many times with CS: GO for example).

> I don't know of any game makers that do this. Well, apparently Rockstar did this for Max Payne 3 in 2012, and apparently it also applies to GTA-V http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/35441/taking-a... http://www.gta5tv.com/gta-v-cheaters-pool-details/ http://kotaku.com/gta-player-says-he-hired-cheater-to-rescue...

Huh, I had no idea GTA5 did that. Thanks for the info, I really would love to see more game developers implement something like this.
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