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Re: Search the DNC email database

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Post by grandalf »

slg wrote: post #47
grandalf wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we're supposed to tolerate corruption simply to avoid Trump? Trump offers us a lesson that if we don't take democracy (and the underlying components/principles) seriously, it will decay.

> Trump offers us a lesson... I hate to be the check your privileged type, but I can't imagine hearing that from any type of minority person. Sure, if you are an upper middle class white guy, like most of us here, the idea of sending a lesson might be attractive. But that lesson isn't worth sacrifices to the rights of women, LGBT people, Muslims, African Americans, and everyone else that would be hurt be a Trump pres…

If a Trump presidency resulted in any changes to the rights of any of the groups you mention, we'd also have congress to blame. The president does not have the power to make laws.

We've seen an ostensibly moderate president (Obama) uphold and extend the Bush Doctrine on foreign policy, killing, mutilating, and devastating all sorts of innocent people throughout the middle east.

The lesson we'd learn from a Trump presidence is that we need to be more picky about the sort of people we vote into office. The first step in this is not holding our nose and voting for the major party candidate who offends us slightly less.

This election, we get to choose between a democrat who is actually a moderate conservative (and could easily run the same platform as a republican) and a populist Republican, who has borrowed Democratic Party rhetoric on rust belt issues and combined it with some elements of paleo-conservatism. They are both hybrids that defy the party conventions.

Re: Search the DNC email database

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Post by grandalf »

sickbeard wrote: post #32
grandalf wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we're supposed to tolerate corruption simply to avoid Trump? Trump offers us a lesson that if we don't take democracy (and the underlying components/principles) seriously, it will decay.

just like Bush offered you a lesson?

Sadly Bush didn't offer a lesson. Obama took office and continued and expanded the Bush Doctrine on foreign policy, greatly increasing extrajudicial actions and drone stuff.

Re: Search the DNC email database

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Post by kbenson »

tanderson92 wrote: post #46
drostie wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was talking in particular about the use of profanity in a working environment, of course. I do not know what you are reading into those emails but speaking purely objectively, there is remarkably little content in them to go off of. It could potentially have to do with Bernie Sanders in the Kentucky and West Virginia primaries (which were in early May), but that seems somewhat unlikely given the timestamps -- the W…

You cannot possibly be serious. 1) The emails refer to two upcoming primaries, which occurred in close temporal and spatial proximity to each other. Literally no other campaign in the nation is in two states. It is hard to imagine any other figure in the nation that that refers to other than Bernie Sanders. I didn't mention Bernie Sanders in my reply, so why did you think it was about Bernie and then attempt to deny…

> 3) civil service jobs are not supposed to involve discrimination based on religious preferences and attempts to exploit bigotry by national political organizations is deeply unethical.

Are you talking about political agents being unethical (to which I say, "duh"), or are we talking about what you previously stated, "conspiring to commit a civil rights violation, or exploit one" ? Those are very different things.

People have a right to vote for a candidate as they see fit, based on all the information they have at their disposal. That's a core tenet of democracy. While I would prefer people not use religious views of candidates in most cases, there are cases where I would definitely like to know (for example, if the candidate believes the world will end within the year, I think that's probably the most relevant information in a presidential candidate you can know). While self serving, I can't see the action as purely negative, as it would be increasing true information to the public (as opposed to attack ads that insinuate unverified information).

Re: Search the DNC email database

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Post by Natsu »

loopdedoo wrote: post #15

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/?q=off+the+record&mfrom=&mt... "Off the record" is a fun search term to browse.

Yeah, interesting reading. I think they got more 'fingerprints' on this than they wanted, though....

> From: Daniel Strauss [dstrauss1987@me.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2016 12:25 PM > To: Miranda, Luis > Subject: Deep background question > > Hey > > So we want to see the list of committee appointments the Sanders Folks submitted just to verify it was mostly staffers and ineligible figures. That possible with no fingerprints attached?

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7065

Re: Search the DNC email database

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Post by Natsu »

jackfrodo wrote: post #22
tanderson92 wrote: post #17

In which DNC executives discuss smearing Bernie Sanders as Jewish: https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7643 https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/11508

It's smearing him as an atheist. He's saying that southern baptists would be okay with electing a Jewish person but not an atheist.

Whatever the case, it sure does look as if the DNC has been playing favorites. There's more where that came from, e.g. -

  > From: Daniel Strauss [dstrauss1987@me.com] 
  > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2016 12:25 PM 
  > To: Miranda, Luis > Subject: Deep background question 
  > > Hey 
  > > So we want to see the list of committee appointments the Sanders Folks submitted just to verify it was mostly staffers and ineligible figures. That possible with no fingerprints attached?
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7065

Re: Search the DNC email database

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Post by kbenson »

grandalf wrote: post #51
slg wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Trump offers us a lesson... I hate to be the check your privileged type, but I can't imagine hearing that from any type of minority person. Sure, if you are an upper middle class white guy, like most of us here, the idea of sending a lesson might be attractive. But that lesson isn't worth sacrifices to the rights of women, LGBT people, Muslims, African Americans, and everyone else that would be hurt be a Trump pres…

If a Trump presidency resulted in any changes to the rights of any of the groups you mention, we'd also have congress to blame. The president does not have the power to make laws. We've seen an ostensibly moderate president (Obama) uphold and extend the Bush Doctrine on foreign policy, killing, mutilating, and devastating all sorts of innocent people throughout the middle east. The lesson we'd learn from a Trump pres…

What worries me most about a Trump presidency is not local (US) policy, as you rightly point out that he needs legislative support that he doesn't have to make changes (although he can retard progress through veto power, depending on your definition of progress and his inclination), but the absolute murder he will do to the US reputation and standing in the international community (already a complex topic, and I imagine fairly mixed in most circles).
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