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Create React Apps with No Configuration

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Re: Create React Apps with No Configuration

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Post by danabramov »

dack wrote: post #12

This is really great! However, I think this speaks to the need for a better API in general for this sort of stuff. At the moment it's "all or nothing" in that you can decide to let everything be configured, or nothing be configured ("ejecting"). This makes perfect sense, but I think a more ideal solution would be having layers of configurability that let you more gracefully set your preferences without completely aba…

I’d love that to be possible but “all or nothing” is useful as a forcing function for us to choose great defaults. We might want to relax it a little someday, but doing it too early will harm the project.

Re: Create React Apps with No Configuration

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vjeux wrote: post #46
hex13 wrote: post #28

it seems like a solution to the Vjeux's challenge: http://blog.vjeux.com/2015/javascript/challenge-best-javascr... (If we don't count sharable requirement).

Integration with now.sh ( https://zeit.co/now/ ) and uploading to gh-pages is something that was cut for the release but we are thinking about doing :)

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Re: Create React Apps with No Configuration

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Post by jonknee »

JoeCortopassi wrote: post #47
jonknee wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it doesn't even write your app for you, how dare they!

My point wasn't to belittle the work, they did a great job, it was just pointing out how far you can go with something like this. This just doesn't have as many of the things people need as other similar projects do.

It seems like they were shooting for the MVP here, not trying to make it the kitchen sink. Not everyone wants dockerization, Sass, isomorphic rendering, etc.

Re: Create React Apps with No Configuration

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Post by ctvo »

orf wrote: post #25

> Having just attended EmberCamp a week ago, I was excited about Ember CLI. Ember users have a great “getting started” experience thanks to a curated set of tools united under a single command-line interface. This is one of the best things about Ember. `ember new`, `ember serve`, ember generate component my-component`, `ember build`, `ember deploy`, `ember install`. It's opinionated but it lets you get productive rig…

Kind of interesting to think about the two projects and how they diverge based on the core developers.

Ember is made by folks who work on / for small and medium companies[1]. They don't have the build infrastructure Facebook does and are able to create an anointed solution in Ember-CLI because they'll use it daily. React is stuck in a place where the environment it's developed in is unique from what any other user will see. It's difficult to solve a problem when you're not in the space.

EDIT:

This leads to things beyond CLIs too. React is still billed as just a view library instead of a solution for building an entire app. There's no official path from view layer -> complete app (no guidance for data flow, how to communicate with the server, server side rendering, routing on the client).

I think the React team needs to take a little more responsibility for the eco-system it created. You can't call it just a view library when most use cases use it to develop entire applications. You have to provide more guidance, you can't fallback to Facebook not using it that way as the default response. In my opinion most of the Great Javascript Fatigue of 2015-16 was caused by users trying to fill in the blanks left by the React team and producing one solution after another (and quickly abandoning ship as something iteratively better was released).

1 - Tom, Yehuda at tilde.io

Re: Create React Apps with No Configuration

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Post by seangrogg »

I think one of the best things I've done to date is actually distance myself from the React community. While I love some of the tooling that has come out of it (Redux, React-Router) I think the community (as an amorphous entity) over-emphasizes the need/desire for transpiling, linting, testing, etc.

Since then, I've "reverted" to building things in ES5, working in multiple files without bundling, etc. and I have to say the enjoyment I get out of using React has cranked up considerably.

I am happy to see they are converging on some standards - that will definitely make building new apps much easier from a common starting point. I just hope they can walk the fine line between "opinionated" and "bloated".

Re: Create React Apps with No Configuration

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Post by danabramov »

venuzr wrote: post #32

As someone new to React, I wonder a) How is this different from getting a custom starter kit/generator from Yeoman. Searching in yeoman, I see several for "React" with the top one having over 9.5k stars http://yeoman.io/generators/ b) Is Facebook planning to maintain and keep this generator current? Why don't they just contribute/recommend an existing generator

This is not a generator. It is a dependency, which means that we can (and intend to!) update the underlying tools without any work on your part.

Additionally, unlike a generator, it doesn’t expose you to any configs so you can focus on your code. However you can “eject” if you really want to.

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