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My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starving Land

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Re: My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starving Land

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Wrong- the generally accepted term is "welfare state".

I think you will have a hard time generating conclusive evidence for this argument. Doing so will force you to argue that well-known people who describe themselves as philosophically socialist are wrong about that.

Such as whom? Bernie Sanders is a politician clearly lying about the definition of socialism, while those he claims to want to imitate deny they are socialist.[1]

[1] http://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-n...

Re: My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starving Land

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Wrong- the generally accepted term is "welfare state".

No. Welfare state is the apparatus prividing social security and benefits for a population. It's not an ideology or a political system. Sweden has a large welfare state in the sense that we have free single payer health care, free education etc. We are a social democracy in the sense that the current political climate and consensus is shaped by a few decades of social democratic rule. High progressive taxes etc are s…

The prior comment said that the correct term for a large social safety net was "democratic socialism", that was what I was responding to. This is a lie propagated by Bernie Sanders.[1] I agree that a welfare state is not necessarily socialist- that was my point! So, you think you are disagreeing with me, but you are perhaps missing is the point that, in the USA, Sanders continual lying about what Socialism means so that he can fit into the Democratic Party has confused the issue in many young people's minds.

The Swedish mining company LKAB is a socialist (state-owned) enterprise, however the entire economy is not composed of socialist enterprises, therefore it is clearly a mixed economy.

Relatively high taxes on their own are not "social" or "socialist".

[1]http://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-n...

Re: My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starving Land

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Are people in Venezuela allowed to leave. Can you explain ? > 30% did not cross back. Not surprisingly. It can easily become a humanitarian problem for Colombia. What is the political sentiment in Colombia about this ?

Venezuelans have been leaving the country for the last decade or so. There are huge numbers of them here already. It's not easy for them to leave because their currency is basically worthless and access to hard currency is restricted to the well-connected. Also the Venezuelan government closed the border about one year ago. They also kicked out all Colombians from Venezuela. According to the Venezuelan government eve…

A little late to comment on my part but all but a handful of my Venezuelan cousins have emigrated and ended up in Miami, Colombia and Argentina. And I know its not only them who have left. Venezuela has lost an entire generation of young professionals to their neighbors.

Re: My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starving Land

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If there was a "deliberate campaign of genocide by starvation" happening, I'm sure I could look in the New York Times archives of the period and read about that. If I consult the archives, the reporters going through the Ukraine said reports of that were false. Also, all of Europe had a bad crop that year, I guess the Soviets were controlling the weather?

Note that a crop failure is not the same thing as a famine. People and nations can buy and beg food, its political and economic systems which turn crop failure into famine. Hell sometimes you don't even need a crop failure. > If there was a "deliberate campaign of genocide by starvation" happening, I'm sure I could look in the New York Times archives of the period and read about that. If I consult the archives, the r…

Alsop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Alsop#Military_service_... "In subsequent years, Alsop also helped the Central Intelligence Agency in its intelligence-gathering activities, using his status as a foreign correspondent as cover."

Muggeridge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Muggeridge "a forceful anti-communist. During World War II, he worked for the British government as a soldier and a spy."

Jones: (from your link) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Jones_(journalist)#Life... "In 1931 he was offered employment in New York City by Dr Ivy Lee, public relations advisor to organisations such as the Rockefeller Institute, the Chrysler Foundation, and Standard Oil, to research a book about the Soviet Union. In the summer of 1931 he toured the Soviet Union with H. J. Heinz II of the food company dynasty, producing a diary published by Heinz as Experiences in Russia 1931, a diary which probably contains the first usage of the word "starve" in relation to the collectivisation of Soviet agriculture. In 1932 Jones returned to work for Lloyd George and helped the wartime Prime Minister write his War Memoirs.

During the 1930s, he was a reporter for the Western Mail.[2] In late January and early February 1933 Jones was in Germany covering the accession to power of the Nazi Party, and was in Leipzig on the day Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor. A few days later on February 23 in the Richthofen, the fastest and most powerful three-motored aeroplane in Germany, he became the first foreign journalist to fly with Hitler as Jones accompanied Hitler and Joseph Goebbels to Frankfurt where Jones reported for the Western Mail on the new Chancellor's tumultuous acclamation in that city."

It's called the Cold War. Liars lied about liars. All of your sources are committed anti-communists willing to do whatever it took to bring down the USSR. Do you really think they wouldn't lie about this stuff?

Re: My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starving Land

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post #260

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Note that a crop failure is not the same thing as a famine. People and nations can buy and beg food, its political and economic systems which turn crop failure into famine. Hell sometimes you don't even need a crop failure. > If there was a "deliberate campaign of genocide by starvation" happening, I'm sure I could look in the New York Times archives of the period and read about that. If I consult the archives, the r…

Alsop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Alsop#Military_service_... "In subsequent years, Alsop also helped the Central Intelligence Agency in its intelligence-gathering activities, using his status as a foreign correspondent as cover." Muggeridge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Muggeridge "a forceful anti-communist. During World War II, he worked for the British government as a soldier and a spy." Jones: (…

Do you have a shred of evidence to suggest that they did? I mean, I realize that's a higher bar to clear than throwing around shitty implications and trying for the "well there really aren't any good guys here" schtick, but you're really going to have to come up with at least a little bit of substance if you want to be taken seriously here.

Re: My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starving Land

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Alsop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Alsop#Military_service_... "In subsequent years, Alsop also helped the Central Intelligence Agency in its intelligence-gathering activities, using his status as a foreign correspondent as cover." Muggeridge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Muggeridge "a forceful anti-communist. During World War II, he worked for the British government as a soldier and a spy." Jones: (…

Do you have a shred of evidence to suggest that they did? I mean, I realize that's a higher bar to clear than throwing around shitty implications and trying for the "well there really aren't any good guys here" schtick, but you're really going to have to come up with at least a little bit of substance if you want to be taken seriously here.

I imagine you will consider this book beneath even the level of "shreds", but since you asked... http://www.garethjones.org/tottlefraud.pdf
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