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Re: Ask News.YC: How to re-motivate yourself?

#21
"We have been working on a startup idea for almost an year now. The initial days were fantastic, we were totally convinced we had hit upon a brilliant idea, there was vacuum to be filled. We worked crazy hours, got a lot of stuff done."

What a lot of startups don't get is that you can only push people to work crazy hours a very limited amount of times.

If the startup is just fragging around and not working towards a real moment where 'it happens' but still pushes people to give it all then the backlash will be huge and people will become demotivated and start asking the questions I see you asking.

It sounds like you guys need better management. Better management to get the show on the road. Better management to give the startup a meaning. Better management to motivate people.

Talk to them. They are probably struggling with the same issues.

(Or maybe you are management, dunno, you didn't really specify your position)

S.

Re: Ask News.YC: How to re-motivate yourself?

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Go to someone else's offices who are doing a startup. That will get your ass in gear when you see how hard they are working.

Better yet, go to someone's office who isn't; someone who has spent 10-20 years in a cube at megacorp and is still bitching about where he/she is in the company. That will really get your ass in gear.

Re: Ask News.YC: How to re-motivate yourself?

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I find responses containing the word "ridiculous" ridiculous. (Does that mean this response is ridiculous?) Changing strategy does not equal giving up. Giving up prematurely is the single biggest impediment to failure in any field. How do you know if it's premature? You don't. So you keep going. FWIW, I hope my competitors think like you do. I'd be the only one left standing.

Imagine you form a team of 5 people to build a new product -- for the sake of argument, let's say you've decided to try to build a prototype of a Gubmarine, a submarine made out of an advanced form of bubble-gum that can allow a torpedo to pass right through you, and then instantly re-seal up. Let's say that after 1 year, given changing competitive dynamics, it is the rational conclusion of the team's leader that con…

"someone who needs to hear what I've written"

Humbly spoken.

Re: Ask News.YC: How to re-motivate yourself?

#25
APOLOGIES for making this post so annoyingly long, but I really hope you find value in the words below.

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I'm going to first share a personal experience from my early trading days to illustrate where I'm coming from. I used to wake up at 4:30 am everyday in the Chicago suburbs to beat rush hour traffic and make it into downtown Chicago at 6:30 am. In order to wake up so early, I fell into a habit of sleeping at 9:00 pm and like a robot waking up at 4:30 am. This simple routine was indirectly helpful when things seemed darkest.

For the first six months, I lost money and was ridiculed constantly by other traders who were more successful than me (which was about 20 other guys CONSTANTLY using me as a punching/whipping bag). The only thing that kept me going was the fact that some of the very same traders that would be making wise cracks at me for losing money were some of the most successful people I knew at the time. For better or worse, if I needed a trader to model myself after, it was the same people that were telling me how bad a trader I was - and although I was not open to really hear what they were saying, they were right about my skills in every way (but their feedback was always packaged in some sort of insult).

After racking up some rather hefty losses, I was determined to quit at one point during month four, but because I had a habit of waking up at 4:30 am I simply "forgot" that the night before I told myself I would quit and spare myself further humiliation...by then I was warned that I was now on the red list of traders ready to be cut. Also, my personal savings were starting to approach zero (the base "draw" for house traders was enough to pay for food; you usually make your money on a percentage of your profits, and I was deep in the red at the time).

To say the least, there were many excellent reasons to be "reasonable", forget about my dreams, and quit.

After 4 consecutive "failures to quit", I realized that I didn't quit because somewhere deep down I was hanging on to a dream, however remote at that point: that I could somehow be as successful as the other traders that I knew. At the same time I realized that I had hit rock bottom in that I couldn't even succeed in failing! Very tough times indeed...

An interesting point to note here is that although my losses were starting to get very large, the people who were funding me as a trader kept me because I had one redeeming quality: EFFORT, and this helped build tenacity. Other traders who barely traded but had a fraction of my losses were cut much faster because they didn't put forth much effort. They were not willing to take losses and be bold/brave and fight it out; I was willing to take risks, and this saved me from getting cut faster than others.

Slowly I began to reinterpret the constant humiliation I was suffering: perhaps the other traders were right about their "jokes" and there might be something in what they are saying that will help me get out of the red. I also realized that since I had failed at quitting (which was now the ULTIMATE failure), there was no further failure for me and that if I took baby steps they were surely to succeed (this translated into taking smaller trades/profits).

Only after improving upon my abilities as a trader and channeling my energies appropriately did I succeed and earn everybody's respect as a trader (and you have no idea how this made me feel!). I quickly made enough in commissions to be trading my own account, and be successful as an independent trader onward. When I look back at those final months of 1999 (yeah that's right, I was losing huge cash at the end of 1999 when the entire market was going crazy UP!), there was more good than bad even when I was getting my ass handed to me. It's just that I was intentionally creating my own feedback (I'm right everybody else is wrong) instead of seeing the results I was getting (losses/insults) as feedback and information that would help me be successful.

I kind of snicker every time I see somebody ask for feedback on their startup on YC.News only to end up justifying themselves by telling everybody why they did what they did when they get negative feedback, which is the feedback of greatest value. If somebody tells you how crappy your idea is, thank them that they even spent a few brain cycles considering your idea.

The lessons I learned from this that are perhaps relevant to your questions:

- Determine if you believe in yourself to succeed as an individual (I know this sounds odd, but for a moment just examine your thought patterns and your actions and see what message you are sending to yourself; do you listen to the voice that says you can't or are you paying attention to the feedback from your efforts and the results you are getting?)

- Search deep down inside and see if the project you are working on is something you believe in or not. If you can't sell yourself, then you shouldn't bother trying any further...

- ANY attention you get for your efforts is good attention. If you get LOTS of negative feedback, then be grateful - you've jumped the first hurdle of getting people to give a damn about what you are doing! :)

- There is responsibility and accountability that goes with both success and failure. You need to be ready for both because they can be equally painful in equal ways. The amount of accountability that comes with success can be more unbearable than the accountability that accompanies failure. I personally know of some very talented people who enjoyed phenomenal initial success only to find just as fast that they were in over their heads.

- The more you resist the possibility of failure then you are less likely to recognize possibilities that will help you succeed. If you are afraid to fail, then most certainly you are afraid to succeed. This sounds counterintuitive but it's based upon the fact that fear makes your mind less supple and less responsive to the changes that will push you out of the game - or conversely it will lessen the impulse to jump on the opportunities you need to succeed.

- The results you get has everything to do with your users/market and less to do with you as an individual; it's sometimes hard to separate these two. See the other side of the equation and what side you are on before trying to solve it. Don't ever think you are above the feedback of your users...EVER!

- Don't have expectations (this is just setting yourself up for failure). Because you are starting out you may not know what is best to help you succeed - ESPECIALLY if you're lacking motivation. Keep in mind that whatever results you get from your efforts will lead to more possibilities (in the form of additional information).

- Have some behavioral "context" within which to exercise discipline and structure. Seek to grow your efforts within this context. My context was my sleep schedule. It was a routine that was so ingrained that my drive had a laser focus. This might not work for some, but it worked for me.

Finally, I will add that in my opinion failing hard and fast is MUCH better than failing slowly. The faster you know for certain something isn't going to work out, the sooner you can cut your losses and move on to your next idea. When you eventually succeed, you will look back at all the times you were quick to cut your losses and get to where you are...

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Please do NOT contact me asking for advice in trading/investing. This is a VERY personal thing, and it has everything to do with who you are, NOT with how much information you have, or which tools you use, or who you know.

Re: Ask News.YC: How to re-motivate yourself?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find this "never give up" stuff ridiculous. You'd never apply it to investing money (eg/ "I bought this stock 1 year ago and I'm just going to BELIEVE it into a higher price), so why would you apply it to investing your skills and emotional commitment to some particular problem in some particular market? Things change -- your market, your problem, your competitors, and yourself -- all change. As circumstances chang…

I find responses containing the word "ridiculous" ridiculous. (Does that mean this response is ridiculous?) Changing strategy does not equal giving up. Giving up prematurely is the single biggest impediment to failure in any field. How do you know if it's premature? You don't. So you keep going. FWIW, I hope my competitors think like you do. I'd be the only one left standing.

I found Seth Godin's The Dip had a nice way of determining whether it was worth continuing on an idea. He suggested that you imagine that you succeed completely in your execution: everything goes according to plan, you can deliver completely on your vision, all your assumptions are proven right. Now ask yourself:

1.) Has the world changed appreciably because of your success? Will people notice the difference?

2.) Are you now the best in the world at the particular mark you've chosen to make on the world?

If the answer to one of these is "no", you probably want to give up and try something else. Just because the answer is "yes" doesn't mean you should keep going (I've seen more startups killed because they couldn't build the product than because they built the product and nobody wanted it), but it's a pretty strong indicator that you're on to something. Technical problems have a way of being solvable if you get desperate enough.

These questions were a major reason I quit FictionAlley - as much as I liked the people involved and loved the community, it's hard to justify working on a plain old website used by a narrow subculture that legally has no prospective of revenue or buyout. They were a major reason I quit my last employer - the mission had changed from "revolutionize the financial industry" to "build products for keeping track of obscure SEC regulations", and we were using technology (Java & JSF) where there is no particular benefit to being the best in the world at it. It's why my startups is no longer maintaining Diffle.com, which was really intended as a "warm up" to get a feel for the industry. It's a major reason I'm sticking with our current plan, because I feel that if we can succeed in our execution, it's something fundamentally different from what's out there. I may have to reevaluate in 6 months though, since the competitive environment may change any time.

Re: Ask News.YC: How to re-motivate yourself?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine you form a team of 5 people to build a new product -- for the sake of argument, let's say you've decided to try to build a prototype of a Gubmarine, a submarine made out of an advanced form of bubble-gum that can allow a torpedo to pass right through you, and then instantly re-seal up. Let's say that after 1 year, given changing competitive dynamics, it is the rational conclusion of the team's leader that con…

"someone who needs to hear what I've written" Humbly spoken.

Some people need to hear that it's time to quit, because they're invested in something that's a dead end. Just as you shouldn't throw good money after bad, the same can be said for your time (and your team's time).

The important part isn't who said it (in this case it happened to be me), it's the simple fact that sometimes, it's good advice. This was obviously not an original idea of mine. In fact I doubt if I've said anything original at all here; every time I think I've thought of something original, I seem to find myself reading a book by someone who's already thought a couple steps ahead of me a few weeks later (luckily, that's okay -- ideas need not be original to be useful).

I might have said "someone who needs to face the realities of extricating themselves out of a dead end project" instead of using the shorthand "what I've written" to avoid such confusion. I was not intending to come across as some know-it-all guru, and it is my fault if my words conveyed that impression (and they well may have).

* Also note that the first half of my sentence said that the questioner was not "somebody who needs to hear what I've written."

* I am assuming that you were being sarcastic with this last reply, which I felt was a safe assumption, but I can't really know, because I don't know you, and communicating via text is hell and we are prone to vastly overestimate our own comprehension of the other person's intent. My apologies if I screwed up.

Re: Ask News.YC: How to re-motivate yourself?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"someone who needs to hear what I've written" Humbly spoken.

Some people need to hear that it's time to quit, because they're invested in something that's a dead end. Just as you shouldn't throw good money after bad, the same can be said for your time (and your team's time). The important part isn't who said it (in this case it happened to be me), it's the simple fact that sometimes, it's good advice. This was obviously not an original idea of mine. In fact I doubt if I've sai…

Yes, I was being sarcastic. Darn, I keep making that mistake.

Just like I was not being literal when I said "never". I was just trying to emphasize that too many give up too soon with an extraordinary (and apparently inappropriate) word choice.

You can never be too thin or too rich, either. Oh, never mind. (Oops, I did it again.)

Good arguments all around. I think we've pretty much beaten this one to death. I give up - gotta go fix that bubble gum submarine leak.

Re: Ask News.YC: How to re-motivate yourself?

#29
1) This may be helpful on a small scale:

Like many, I love building new features, and don't love fixing bugs. But after a while of not fixing bugs, I get this 'ewww, my code is icky' feeling, and slowly start to hate my project.

That's when I know I need to spend a whole day fixing bugs. By the end of the day, I feel differently. There's something about quality that's viceral, the sheen of quality makes it easy to love my project again.

2) If you are really questioning the value of your project, ask: - how could I morph this into something else? - What else could I use my existing network of contacts for? - What is an adjacent problem?

I recently went through this after feeling very trapped in my problem domain, and it resulted in a great new insight and, I hope, and entirely new set of products in an adjacent domain.

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