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Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

#21
I would like to see some reporting on the 10% of reddit's recent $50 million raise that will be distributed to the users.

Recent changes (eg. stealth adding link tracking) and comments (eg. Huffman's, we know everything about you) have been user hostile and making the distribution would garner some good will.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

#22

I would like to see some reporting on the 10% of reddit's recent $50 million raise that will be distributed to the users. Recent changes (eg. stealth adding link tracking) and comments (eg. Huffman's, we know everything about you ) have been user hostile and making the distribution would garner some good will.

That 10% pledge died when "Reddit Coin" died. (And it likely violated SEC rules anyways)

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

#23

I think much of Reddit's problems with its userbase boil down to an early failure to manage expectations. It's pretty clear that the Reddit corporation doesn't want Reddit to be an anything-goes, absolute free speech zone with no moderation or anti-harassment policies -- but that's what the site actually was for many years. Now, when the company cracks down, users think their freedoms are being curtailed. The mistake…

> If there is a lesson in this, it is that online communities which plan to implement anti-harassment policies ought to do so from the beginning, and develop the expectation among the users that such policies exist, and will continue to exist.

A few relatively popular programming languages have begun publishing official community code of conduct documents[1][2]. While initially I thought it was a bit overreaching, I can now see steering a community early is much easier than trying to change course later.

[1] https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html

[2] https://golang.org/conduct

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

#24

Reddit, from a business perspective, baffles me. During the Yishan Wong/Ellen Pao era, we had Reddit-Made and Reddit TV, both of which bombed especially. Under Alexis Ohanian, we had Upvoted and Formative which as the article notes were killed silently. Reddit released a native app and an image host years too late. (I just checked the data and it is not killing Imgur: Reddit image usage was 18% in the top image subre…

> I just checked the data and it is not killing Imgur: Reddit image usage was 18% in the top image subreddits at beginning of June, today it is 25%

that seems like a pretty significant rate-of-uptake to me - why would you say it's not killing imgur?

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

#25

I think much of Reddit's problems with its userbase boil down to an early failure to manage expectations. It's pretty clear that the Reddit corporation doesn't want Reddit to be an anything-goes, absolute free speech zone with no moderation or anti-harassment policies -- but that's what the site actually was for many years. Now, when the company cracks down, users think their freedoms are being curtailed. The mistake…

> Compounding that problem, the fact that the site was unregulated for so long caused it to attract the kind of people who need to be regulated the most.

Is there any evidence that reddit has a greater fraction of asshats than the general population at large?

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

#26
It's bizarre that a company seems to be struggling to administer diversity of staff, without being certain of its own medium-term success.

There's no point in having your quota of "people of colour", as the article puts it, if the business model is unsustainable and leads to people being fired anyway.

Why not focus on creating a successful company first, and then worry about things that carry an administrative and management overhead.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

#27

Reddit, from a business perspective, baffles me. During the Yishan Wong/Ellen Pao era, we had Reddit-Made and Reddit TV, both of which bombed especially. Under Alexis Ohanian, we had Upvoted and Formative which as the article notes were killed silently. Reddit released a native app and an image host years too late. (I just checked the data and it is not killing Imgur: Reddit image usage was 18% in the top image subre…

I wonder how much of not evolving the site is due to legacy code. A few years ago I briefly read some of their code, since it is open source, and found it difficult to understand due to a lack of comments and descriptive function and variable names. And it is all Python. So basically any change to the code can be catastrophic because you have no guarantees everything will still work.

I tried doing some work with their code base around 5 or 6 years ago and at that time it basically didn't work out of the box and had no tests. Or at least their released code didn't.

Some of the problems were actual bugs that seemed odd in a production code base, and others were because they had stripped everything relating to some paid services they used for search or indexing or stuff that I don't remember.

In general it was a huge PITA to do anything with compared to what the leadership was hoping. (That it's be like the WordPress in terms of required investment was what they'd been hoping for.)

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

#28

Reddit, from a business perspective, baffles me. During the Yishan Wong/Ellen Pao era, we had Reddit-Made and Reddit TV, both of which bombed especially. Under Alexis Ohanian, we had Upvoted and Formative which as the article notes were killed silently. Reddit released a native app and an image host years too late. (I just checked the data and it is not killing Imgur: Reddit image usage was 18% in the top image subre…

It's not. Reddit could easily sell targeted ads based on subreddits (e.g. inking a deal with Uniqlo to advertise on /r/malefashionadvice or /r/femalefashionadvice). It chooses to pursue other monetization means to preserve the Reddit experience. We'll see if it's able to stumble onto another sustainable business model.

The problem is most high quality advertisers don't want to have their brand promoted along side user generated content. So while Reddit has a ton of traffic, much of that traffic is worthless to the most desirable advertisers.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

#29
post #24

Reddit, from a business perspective, baffles me. During the Yishan Wong/Ellen Pao era, we had Reddit-Made and Reddit TV, both of which bombed especially. Under Alexis Ohanian, we had Upvoted and Formative which as the article notes were killed silently. Reddit released a native app and an image host years too late. (I just checked the data and it is not killing Imgur: Reddit image usage was 18% in the top image subre…

> I just checked the data and it is not killing Imgur: Reddit image usage was 18% in the top image subreddits at beginning of June, today it is 25% that seems like a pretty significant rate-of-uptake to me - why would you say it's not killing imgur?

Here's the plot of the Imgur and Reddit pics market share on /r/pics and /r/gifs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cgoFF6njlyv1W0DQ3IF5...

There is growth in Reddit Pics and decline in Imgur, but it'll be a few months before the lines intersect. A cry from the Imgur killer everyone expected.

Re: Reddit is still in turmoil

#30

I think much of Reddit's problems with its userbase boil down to an early failure to manage expectations. It's pretty clear that the Reddit corporation doesn't want Reddit to be an anything-goes, absolute free speech zone with no moderation or anti-harassment policies -- but that's what the site actually was for many years. Now, when the company cracks down, users think their freedoms are being curtailed. The mistake…

It's not just that the site was that way, a free-speech zone, for many years. It was their official policy. They were quite pretentious about it as well, leading the reddit community to believe that this would be the permanent policy. To be honest, that is still mostly how it is; the admins only ban a subreddit when it generates a critical mass of bad press.

They don't want to drive away their users. They know how Digg died. They're smart enough not to piss off the community enough such that any significant number of users will leave.

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