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Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by vecter »

metaphorm wrote: post #95
vecter wrote: post #92

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Your claim of "no value" is clearly wrong. A consumer internet company cannot be worth hundreds of billions of dollars, have billions of users, and add "no value".

define value. establish how FB provides value according to your definition. social habits and popularity alone are not sufficient to establish value. remember, we're talking about value for FB users, not value for FB customers (i.e. advertisers).

If a person uses Facebook in a given day, they've received value from it. Otherwise they wouldn't have used it.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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na85 wrote: post #100
vecter wrote: post #59

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Facebook adds "no value whatsoever"? One billion people every day would disagree with you. Facebook is the primary method that billions of people across the world use to stay in touch with family and friends. It's one of the most important pieces of my life and something I come back to almost every single day. And no, I've never worked there nor will I ever. I don't own a single share of FB stock. I'm just a user who…

>It's one of the most important pieces of my life Reading this made me sad.

Why does that make you sad

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by RodgerTheGreat »

gooseus wrote: post #94
RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #91

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I think the biggest challenge in doing something like this and making an impact is a call to action. Some users strongly dislike Facebook and already have the motivation necessary to execute on something like this if you made the process easy. I suspect, however, that most Facebook users are either indifferent or genuinely enjoy the service, and it will be difficult to convince these people they should cease using Fa…

Yeah, it's definitely not an easy sell and would require the right presentation, but I think there is a strong undercurrent of fatigue and discontent with Facebook that can be tapped into with the right message. I think that message could energize and wake up a decent number of people and if this generated momentum then it'd feed into itself. The fact that a measurable decrease in users could create a panic in stock…

I think for the average consumer the idea of purchasing stock on a whim, let alone shorting a stock, is an alien and uninvitingly risky act. A site that asks me to follow some instructions to spend $100 to help bring down big F would send off all kinds of mental alarm bells. There could be money to be made, but I think profiting from Facebook's loss muddies the issue.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by asimuvPR »

sleazus_christ wrote: post #98
asimuvPR wrote: post #79

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Facebook sure adds value. It connects people. Friendships, marriages, partnerships, businesses, and more exist because of facebook. I am not a user but the value it provides is real. Otherwise people would not use it (Google+).

so did myspace, so did AOL. it is just an re-implementation of existing ideas and products. Nothing it offers is new or anything we haven't had for decades. Sure, a lot of people use it NOW but that will change just like it did for myspace, AOL, and plenty of other platforms. And those marriages/partnerships/business/etc don't exist BECAUSE of facebook, they exist because people started them and now they USE facebook…

I met my wife on ICQ in the year 1998. My marriage happened because ICQ allowed me to connect with her. I would not have met her otherwise. :)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by blowski »

randomgyatwork wrote: post #61
mikeash wrote: post #31

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It'll make the world a better place. Normally that would be a bad argument, but for someone who has pledged 99% of his wealth to charity it might actually be on point.

That maybe true, and Gates seems to be doing some good stuff. But these mega-capitalists are generally destroying the world with their right hands and trying to clean it up with the left.

Better than not trying to clean it up I suppose. Besides, I don't believe they are destroying the world. Changing it, yes.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by gooseus »

RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #103
gooseus wrote: post #94

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Yeah, it's definitely not an easy sell and would require the right presentation, but I think there is a strong undercurrent of fatigue and discontent with Facebook that can be tapped into with the right message. I think that message could energize and wake up a decent number of people and if this generated momentum then it'd feed into itself. The fact that a measurable decrease in users could create a panic in stock…

I think for the average consumer the idea of purchasing stock on a whim, let alone shorting a stock, is an alien and uninvitingly risky act. A site that asks me to follow some instructions to spend $100 to help bring down big F would send off all kinds of mental alarm bells. There could be money to be made, but I think profiting from Facebook's loss muddies the issue.

True, but like you said, most of the ethical arguments against Facebook are preaching to the choir. Sad as it is, money (even the chance of it) typically motivates more effectively than ethics.

I think if there are enough people willing to go through a convoluted process to help a Nigerian prince that it becomes a meme, then there are plenty of people who would be willing to go through the perfectly legitimate process of opening an E-Trade or Charles-Schwabb account and buying PUT options. Everything on the site would be verifiable by any financial advisor, though they may not understand/agree with the overall strategy.

And really this is just my personal musings, I have plenty of my own doubts otherwise I would be building this site and not openly sharing and commenting about it on HN.

... Of course, if some people here did think it was viable I wouldn't take much convincing to start putting it together...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by Yhippa »

gooseus wrote: post #68
Yhippa wrote: post #54

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Why do you think that? I'm trying hard to think of something that would make it go the way of Friendster.

I had an idea the other day of creating a three-fold informational website. 1. How to backup your Facebook content and delete your account. 2. How to use non-Facebook services to share photos, organize events and talk to friends. 3. How to open an online trading account and purchase PUT options against FB. In my delusion of grandeur I imagined this site going viral with the idea that if a critical mass of users decid…

#3 is one of the weirdest, most interesting ideas I've heard regarding a Facebook alternative. Talk about having an incentive to leave.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by erikbigelow »

vecter wrote: post #102
na85 wrote: post #100

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>It's one of the most important pieces of my life Reading this made me sad.

Why does that make you sad

Cause it's just a tool. A tool that promotes laziness in communication and personal contact. All for the low low cost of all your privacy so they can sell you to whoever. It's a convenient tool though

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by vecter »

erikbigelow wrote: post #109
vecter wrote: post #102

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Why does that make you sad

Cause it's just a tool. A tool that promotes laziness in communication and personal contact. All for the low low cost of all your privacy so they can sell you to whoever. It's a convenient tool though

Most of my friends don't live near me. I stay updated on their lives via Facebook. What's so sad about that?
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