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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by dang » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:42 PM UTC

leakybit wrote: post #18

Zuckerberg in 10 years will be the Internets public enemy #1. The collection of tubes in which we refer to as the Internet, will eventual converge into a single tube leading straight into Mr. Zuckerbergs rectum, in which will give him the ability to feed us all his shit.

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by oliwaw » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:44 PM UTC

beambot wrote: post #10

johansch wrote: post #6

The contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.

Because global internet connectivity to help the 1 billion disenfranchised, unconnected 3rd world populace isn't altruistic enough for you? EDIT: For those who aren't intimately familiar with the Google & FB plans for global internet coverage.... you shouldn't so quick to assume that it will only provide access to facebook.com (I happen to know many of the people working on both projects). This is like the people der…

SpaceX is planning on launching a satellite internet constellation with enough satellites to cover most of the globe.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by unfunco » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:45 PM UTC

cryptoz wrote: post #16

tcoppi wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google wants to organize the world's information. Elon wants to go to Mars, reduce carbon emissions, save lives and increase efficiency with self-driving cars. Zuckerberg wants more users and for us to sit in VR pods like zombies.

> Zuckerberg wants more users and for us to sit in VR pods like zombies. http://blogs-images.forbes.com/parmyolson/files/2016/02/1271... He just looks so happy with his zombie army.

My gosh, that is terrifying.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by cocktailpeanuts » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:46 PM UTC

uptown wrote: post #17

I'm curious what others think about the vision for a more-connected world. While I think the positives far outweigh the negatives in abstract, I wonder if the relatively segregated and disconnected civilizations we've built until now are equipped to deal with the complexities of a more-connected world. Cultural differences, religious differences, ethical differences, etc. are all potential points of friction when you…

Well it will happen regardless of whether Facebook does it or not. Also it won't just be Facebook, there are many other companies (and future companies) that will increasingly make the world more connected. That's been the trend ever since the beginning of human history so I doubt it will stop.

So from FB's point of view, they probably don't want to live in a world where someone else makes the world a more connected place than them.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by mattmcknight » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:46 PM UTC

uptown wrote: post #17

I'm curious what others think about the vision for a more-connected world. While I think the positives far outweigh the negatives in abstract, I wonder if the relatively segregated and disconnected civilizations we've built until now are equipped to deal with the complexities of a more-connected world. Cultural differences, religious differences, ethical differences, etc. are all potential points of friction when you…

Tyler Cowen made some good points on this in terms of the general spread of bad mood, where a negative interpretation of the situation in one country can spread to others where it does not really apply.[1] I think there is also evidence of a more rapid spread of bad ideas, such as extremist views that can inspire individuals to acts of violence. The impact of connectedness on enabling international crime is also clear, and we've moved from email scams to ransomware. It seems that your idea for the increase in opportunities for interpersonal conflict would be an addition to this list of downsides, particularly as the quality of translation services increases.

[1]http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-07-18/bad-moods-...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by jluk » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:49 PM UTC

johansch wrote: post #6

The contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.

This is an extremely narrow view - Musk just elicits pathos to an extreme degree because that is the inherent nature of his products. If you seriously don't think social media has brought positive effects to the world and the human condition, you are naive and set in viewing the world through the lens of black and white.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by izendejas » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:49 PM UTC

firasd wrote: post #5

On Free Basics: "We’ve learned a lot about how we need to interact with governments and the political system and regulators, and build support in order to have these things work. And I think we’ll take those lessons forward on the future work we’re doing in Free Basics, which by the way is continuing to roll out around the world. One day, once we’ve shown that it’s a successful program around the world, I hope that w…

I wish people understood you just can't go into a foreign country and do whatever the hell you want.

I think it comes down to how one measures progress. Sometimes you have to work with corrupt governments and monopolies because the alternative is really null. I'd much rather give a lot of people access to basic services than no access at all--in fact, one hypothesis is that people will eventually be able to afford standard internet service (censored or not).

Eventually, more informed citizens will demand better regulations and more accountability from said corrupt organizations. We can't do it for them, they need to do it but they must first be empowered. Hell, a lot of the people who will benefit could care less about net neutrality when they're starving and have very few opportunities!

It's the startup way--minus the complete disruption, isn't it? MVP, then iterate, iterate... A complete disruption is just laughably impractical.

Disclaimer: I used to work at Facebook, but these opinions are entirely my own.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by firasd » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:50 PM UTC

beambot wrote: post #10

johansch wrote: post #6

The contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.

Because global internet connectivity to help the 1 billion disenfranchised, unconnected 3rd world populace isn't altruistic enough for you? EDIT: For those who aren't intimately familiar with the Google & FB plans for global internet coverage.... you shouldn't so quick to assume that it will only provide access to facebook.com (I happen to know many of the people working on both projects). This is like the people der…

Facebook offered to add an indefinite number of partner sites to the Free Basics program. But the problem is regardless of how many sites are offered in the free data program, it legitimizes the concept of 'zero rating', enabling wireless carriers to split the internet into tiers.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by cocktailpeanuts » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:52 PM UTC

johansch wrote: post #6

The contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.

I don't know where people get the idea that "flying cars" is a more noble achievement than "140 characters".

All these narratives you're repeating--you probably picked it up from some news article or tweet--is just another way people package their own agenda. What you're saying is equivalent to saying police is much more important than scientists. The truth is both are important and it's foolish to say one is more important than another.

Basically you're comparing apples to oranges and saying oranges are bad because the guy who sells apples started a well packaged propaganda to sell more apple and you believe it word for word.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by smokeyj » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:53 PM UTC

Something about Zuck just seems inauthentic and robotic. Maybe the style of writing makes it sound like a sponsored PR piece, or maybe it's the incessant corporate speak. I suspect the reality is Zuck is a strong CEO and weak innovator. Facebook is established and boring, and now all that's left is to entrench the world with proprietary Zuckernet. I strongly suspect Zuck will become the characterized depiction of the robber baron, but that's just my unfounded prediction.