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Re: Licenses of 21,000 Turkish teachers have been revoked

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Post by briarrose » Wed, Jul 20, 2016, 3:33 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #25

mcbits wrote: post #9

It's starting to seem like they had these lists made up ahead of time and have been waiting for the right time to start cleansing the ranks.

> It's starting to seem like they had these lists made up ahead of time and have been waiting for the right time to start cleansing the ranks. That much is obvious. Erdogan didn't start laying blame for problems on the "parallel structure" only after the coup attempt, he's been doing it for years. The coup attempt provided the political pretext for stronger action against the group (and, potentially, others that the…

It's likely par for the course to have lists of potential adversaries maintained in the event of a national emergency : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

Re: Licenses of 21,000 Turkish teachers have been revoked

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Post by bordercases » Wed, Jul 20, 2016, 5:28 PM UTC

robotresearcher wrote: post #130

Chris2048 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The daft vote by the least educated and deliberately, cynically manipulated and misled half of one country This kind of attitude towards that half is maybe part of the reason they voted that way, education level aside. Not everyone benefited from EU membership.

> Not everyone benefited from EU membership. How can you possibly know that?

How could you know the inverse?

Re: Licenses of 21,000 Turkish teachers have been revoked

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Post by bordercases » Wed, Jul 20, 2016, 5:32 PM UTC

robotresearcher wrote: post #139

FeatureRush wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with Chris2048, in time before the actual vote in UK polish media tried to present both options and their arguments, one of the interviews was really memorable for me, the conclusion was that "no fisherman in UK will vote for stay". Of course I know, that the interviewee did not represent all of their trade and some probably voted stay. But the sentiment of it was very familiar to me, it was just like some po…

Some people are better off than others. But stating as a fact that the EU was no benefit for some people needs a supporting argument, since it can't be demonstrated empirically (as a counterfactual case).

I'm sorry, but that sounds like bullshit to me. You're implicitly assuming your conclusion by asserting without proof that the negative is counterfactual. Your mind might contain all the background knowledge you need to make any other statement sound incredulous, but in terms of discourse you need to reveal that information or let your own claims go just as unsupported as well.

Additionally, "no benefit for some people" is such a weak statement that you're bound to observe some contrary cases even if they aren't typical or representative. So at the limit I don't think you're making the right bets. But I would agree that the more evidence should be given. I would disagree that this evidence can't be empirical; it's obvious that it's a statement with empirical consequences, as we're speaking about elements of the world (people who live under EU policy in the UK).

Re: Licenses of 21,000 Turkish teachers have been revoked

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Post by nurettin » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 10:15 AM UTC

tim333 wrote: post #131

nurettin wrote: post #105

I am mostly a-political, 3000 years later none of this will matter. A few billion years later andromeda "collides" with milky way. So let people play. That being said, how does a successful military coup increase a country's democracy in any conceivable way? How is this a "last ditch effort for democracy" as so many people here seem to be thinking? And why is the answer always "oh it was a fake"? How does it work in…

>how does a successful military coup increase a country's democracy in any conceivable way? A conceivable way is they overthrow a dictator and hold elections. In practice through research finds "though democracies are occasionally established in the wake of coups, more often new authoritarian regimes emerge, along with higher levels of state-sanctioned violence." http://rap.sagepub.com/content/3/1/2053168016630837 I…

As long as rich is getting richer and poor is getting better services, which has been consistently the case for the past decade, majority doesn't care about who rules what and what their agenda is. People just want the status quo. People do think extraditions and finger pointings are increasing to insane levels, but as long as status quo is kept and lost services are replaced, they will keep on voting for their beloved somewhat-islamic somewhat-secular government.