Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech

Post by rayiner » Wed, Jul 20, 2016, 11:41 PM UTC

ionforce wrote: post #173

someone7x wrote: post #15

I went to ngconf this year and two of the talks that stood out to me were given by women. One was the angular materials talk / demo and it was amazing. The presenter was exuding tech prowess, I was blown away by how easy she made it look to make a dog adoption website. One of the best talks. The other was by the CEO of girl scouts giving a patronizing 5 minute talk about how we need all help women in tech succeed and…

Some people are completely lost on the idea of intent vs the result. If we're not 50/50 on gender balance apparently we're all super racist.

Post by imron » Wed, Jul 20, 2016, 11:48 PM UTC

Grishnakh wrote: post #299

imron wrote: post #162

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> Yes, they are bad people Sometimes otherwise good people say stupid things. Sometimes being called out on that makes them reflect on what they were saying and realise they were being stupid. That definitely happened to me when I was younger - people called me out on saying stupid things and after thinking about what the other person said I like to think I became a better person as a result. I wasn't a bad person wh…

I think we're quibbling over semantics here. I disagree about you being a bad person: if you said stupid, hurtful things to someone, then yes, you were a bad person, at that moment in time. But that doesn't mean you're always bad, or that you'll always be bad. But bad behavior is bad behavior, and people who behave badly are bad people. We've all been bad people at some point in our lives. We need to be educated and…

Post by selllikesybok » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 12:14 AM UTC

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This chain of logic is particularly pernicious. Given the absence of more data, it's equally likely that the events reported were true, and went unreported for the reasons stated. There was some guy, recently, who wasn't even a Boss, or particularly powerful or influential in his own right, who beat and assaulted a woman, and experienced relatively minimal consequences for doing so? Oh, yeah, this guy - https://en.wi…

Your definition of "logic" is quite interesting. In your example, the accused was found guilty and sentenced. The victim was not fired from her job, nor her identity revealed. Also, the accused was not found guilty of rape nor battery, as you allude to. Read your own link: "Turner was a student athlete at Stanford University on January 18, 2015, when he sexually penetrated an intoxicated and unconscious 22-year-old[1…

Post by kajecounterhack » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 12:36 AM UTC

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I'd like a source for that, since my understanding was the opposite.[1] Quoting from the abstract: "In a randomized double-blind study (n = 127), science faculty from research-intensive universities rated the application materials of a student—who was randomly assigned either a male or female name—for a laboratory manager position. Faculty participants rated the male applicant as significantly more competent and hire…

I would argue that it's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. It was great and necessary when women really were disadvantaged. But now that they are generally "equal", it's detrimental to them. I.e. It's entirely plausible that society is self-correcting against the unfairly-claimed bias by...being biased. One can "factually" be certain that men are not "favoured", therefore they can treat men exactly as they see it.…

  But now that they are generally "equal", it's detrimental 
  to them. I.e. It's entirely plausible that society is self-
  correcting against the unfairly-claimed bias by...being 
  biased

Post by tomc1985 » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 1:15 AM UTC