We've already established that you're an idiot. You're just reinforcing the fact if you continue to claim that a "security cordon" is the same thing as a wall.
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's an incredibly (and I mean dishonestly) generous view of birtherism to say it had nothing to do with Obama's race.
This exact same question was raised with John McCain back in 2008, because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/may/12/... Was that because of his race too? I suspect we stopped hearing about McCain, and kept hearing about Obama, because Obama became president.
Like I said, a generous suspicion. I can also suspect that had McCain been elected he would not have been dogged with insinuations about his citizenship, forced to proffer his birth certificate, referred to as a "Panamanian" by his detractors, etc. etc. for practically the duration of his first term.
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
>exodus of right-libertarians to various flavors of nationalism. How does a libertarian become a nationalist? Trump sure seems to facillitate "USA pride" but his politics and economics are not that libertarian at all. How can nationalistic pride win over what I thought was the center of the libertarian philosophy?
In addition to the sibling comments, there's also the critique of libertarianism as inherently being for those who have "made it." As it, it is easier to agitate for less government regulation and no social welfare net, if one does not benefit from such. And so libertarianism becomes a cover for protecting one's status of privilege. Thus, a shift to "traditional" conservatism which protects that privilege, as typifie…
> In addition to the sibling comments, there's also the critique of libertarianism as inherently being for those who have "made it." As it, it is easier to agitate for less government regulation and no social welfare net, if one does not benefit from such. And so libertarianism becomes a cover for protecting one's status of privilege. Thus, a shift to "traditional" conservatism which protects that privilege, as typified by nationalism, would be natural for a disgruntled libertarian.
Yeah, but its a product of the right/authoritarian side of the libertarians.
The left-leaning libertarians who tactically vote Democrat are fine with safety nets:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/7/17/1314751/-13-Tenets-o...
Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming
#164Maybe he's betting on Trump bringing Palantir more business with the concentration camps Trump plans to build. Or he might just be a stupid, racist asshole who can relate to Trump and enjoys others' suffering. Who knows what makes scumbags like this tick?
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#165We've already established that you're an idiot. You're just reinforcing the fact if you continue to claim that a "security cordon" is the same thing as a wall.
I appreciate the civility of your tone.
Okay, I'm sorry I said that security cordons and fencing was a wall. I was wrong. Is that really enough to make me an idiot?
Does that mistake detract from the rest of the post? Is a wall in itself racist?
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
>exodus of right-libertarians to various flavors of nationalism. How does a libertarian become a nationalist? Trump sure seems to facillitate "USA pride" but his politics and economics are not that libertarian at all. How can nationalistic pride win over what I thought was the center of the libertarian philosophy?
There is a fundamental problem, some would say contradiction, in libertarian reasoning: if you have an open libertarian society with open borders, non-libertarian inclined people who are none the less interested in the prosperity of libertarian societies can move in and eventually destroy that libertarian society. An internally libertarian society with strong immigration control solves this problem and would be calle…
This applies to any ideology: if you have an X society, non X people can join and destroy X society.
With the caveat that most Xs are not open, thus no contradiction by closing society X. So only libertarianism suffers from this contradiction.
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
This exact same question was raised with John McCain back in 2008, because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/may/12/... Was that because of his race too? I suspect we stopped hearing about McCain, and kept hearing about Obama, because Obama became president.
Like I said, a generous suspicion. I can also suspect that had McCain been elected he would not have been dogged with insinuations about his citizenship, forced to proffer his birth certificate, referred to as a "Panamanian" by his detractors, etc. etc. for practically the duration of his first term.
I agree that many racists are in the birther camp. I guess my point was that it wasn't only racists doing it.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm curious which of these points downvoters are disagreeing with. I say this as someone with family members who look very much "Mexican" to most Americans. I don't like Trump's talk at all, but how would anyone with illegal immigrant parents would have comfortable family gatherings after supporting Trump? Job or not, family is strong. Is this just an example of herd HN behavior?
The last one - 5. There is no such thing as reverse racism.
So your point is that, it is impossible for a Latina to be racist, because, by definition, minorities can't be racist?
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
1) Mexican isn't a race - it is a nationality. There are people of all races that are Mexican. 2) Curiels parents were illegal immigrants, and exactly the kind of people that Trump says he would deport. 3) Curiel has mentioned in the past (in a NYT article from the early 2000s, I can find a link if you like) that his Mexican heritage has had an impact in his practice of the law. 4) Curiel isn't a robot. Imagine if he…
It's still making generalizations about a large group of people and assuming it's true for a particular person which is what racism is for race.
If that's the case, perhaps we should just use the words that mean the things we want to say, instead of using words that don't mean the things we want to say to say the things we want to say?
It isn't a great start when people leveling criticism at someone don't even understand(or care) about the meanings of the words they say.
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#170The Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson might set a record this year for highest votes attained by a third party candidate.
Who has the better chance of hitting 15% and getting into the debates, Johnson or Jill Stein? Honest question, in case I am ever polled I want to choose the most likely alternative.
Looking at some recent polls, it looks like Johnson is polling around 10% and Stein around 5%, so I would say Johnson.