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Re: Microsoft reports $22.6B in Q4 revenue

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Have you tried using Google Sheets vs Excel for more than an hour? Google has a few more years to catch up for Excel.

Have you compared the cost? $399.99[0] for Office 2016. Compare that to Open Office. Does it provide $399.99 of additional features? [0] https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/product...

Yes, typical power users of Excel would cost way more than that every day. $399 is tiny even for small business.

Re: Microsoft reports $22.6B in Q4 revenue

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post #73

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Have you tried using Google Sheets vs Excel for more than an hour? Google has a few more years to catch up for Excel.

Are you comparing Google Sheets to Excel Online or to the Windows/Mac application?

Windows application. I am just comparing their "flagship" products.

Re: Microsoft reports $22.6B in Q4 revenue

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post #81

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Have you compared the cost? $399.99[0] for Office 2016. Compare that to Open Office. Does it provide $399.99 of additional features? [0] https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/product...

Yes, typical power users of Excel would cost way more than that every day. $399 is tiny even for small business.

What features specifically exist in Excel but not in open office?

Re: Microsoft reports $22.6B in Q4 revenue

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post #81

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Have you compared the cost? $399.99[0] for Office 2016. Compare that to Open Office. Does it provide $399.99 of additional features? [0] https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/product...

Yes, typical power users of Excel would cost way more than that every day. $399 is tiny even for small business.

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Re: Microsoft reports $22.6B in Q4 revenue

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post #81

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Yes, typical power users of Excel would cost way more than that every day. $399 is tiny even for small business.

What features specifically exist in Excel but not in open office?

In Office Professional Plus, PowerPivot.

IIRC, LO/OOo have much poorer support for tables and table formulae than Excel, as well.

Re: Microsoft reports $22.6B in Q4 revenue

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Definitely not true. You can manipulate cash flow. For example you can give your customer a sweet heart deal where you give your customer a massive discounts on future orders for upfront payment you get a lot of cash the current q, but you are hurting yourself in future q. You can also increase you ap and make cash flow better.you can also pay employees with stock and increase cash flow, but decrease share holder val…

Sure that's the cash flow statement. When looking at free cash flows one would take into account changes in net working capital and adjust accordingly.

From investopedia:

Free cash flow is most commonly defined as operating cash flow minus capital expenditures

You would need to make adjustments to the cash flow if you wanted to account for the extra liabilities since that doesn't use cash in the current quarter.

My point is cash flow can be manipulated just like income statements. You really need to look at income statement, cash flow, and balance sheet to know what is going on.

Re: Microsoft reports $22.6B in Q4 revenue

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> adds back such items as Windows 10 deferrals to revenue What does this mean? Are Microsoft counting people who haven't upgraded as if they have upgraded?

it seems to come down to two main points, as far as consumer tech companies go: 1. GAAP says that revenue from a software service subscription (e.g. cloud service) can only be counted as revenue once the service has been delivered, not at time of sale. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ea-to-ease-non-gaap-usage-a... http://www.grayboxpdx.com/blog/post/revenue-recognition-for-... 2. Equity-based compensation is account…

That is the standard definition for accounting and has been that way for a while:

Persuasive evidence of an arrangement exists Delivery has occurred or services have been rendered The seller's price to the buyer is fixed or determinable Collectibility is reasonably assured.

Stock compensation doesn't make it not an expense. It is coming from somewhere. It is coming from the equity holders pockets therefore it is a real cost.

The basic definition is Assets=Liability+Equity.

So rewriting it E=A-L

If you you pay a person with cash: E-C=A-C-L

When you pay person with equity:

E-X where X is equity you are losing in both cases they are equivalent. So stock option are not free and need to be treated as an expense.

Re: Microsoft reports $22.6B in Q4 revenue

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> adds back such items as Windows 10 deferrals to revenue What does this mean? Are Microsoft counting people who haven't upgraded as if they have upgraded?

Revenue deferral is a very strange term. What basically happened is Microsoft claims Windows 10 is free and gives it away to everyone, hence the non-GAAP income. However, under GAAP, they are not actually giving Windows 10 away for free. Instead, they book revenue from Windows 10 but because they aren't charging for it, they must expense it as a promotional activity. What part of this is a revenue deferral? Nowhere,…

Revenue deferral is not strange. It probably is a company has prepaid for licenses. Licenses can't be counted as revenue until it is delivered to them. However the cash can be collected early.

Re: Microsoft reports $22.6B in Q4 revenue

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What features specifically exist in Excel but not in open office?

In Office Professional Plus, PowerPivot. IIRC, LO/OOo have much poorer support for tables and table formulae than Excel, as well.

What percentage of the user base uses that functionality? Especially considering that at the point you require the ability to "import millions of rows of data from multiple data sources into a single Excel workbook" you should probably be using a proper database and stop playing around.
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