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Inside the Obama Tech Surge as It Hacks the Pentagon and VA

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Re: Inside the Obama Tech Surge as It Hacks the Pentagon and VA

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It's my dream to work at USDS. First I need to save enough money to cover the difference in salary for 2-3 years.

I worked on a government contract years ago. The government employees always told me that their pay was better than it seemed because of the amazing benefits including a great vacation policy. I never made a spreadsheet to test this assertion

Re: Inside the Obama Tech Surge as It Hacks the Pentagon and VA

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"U.S. Digital Service salaries are set in accordance with the General Schedule Pay Scale, which is capped at $160,300." That's not bad, but not great for really high talent employees. I wonder how many people get that rate though. https://www.usds.gov/join#compensation

Presumably you get the pension that goes with that

Re: Inside the Obama Tech Surge as It Hacks the Pentagon and VA

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post #7

The federal government hires a team of young, talented, motivated engineers and managers, puts them in charge of failed software projects, gives them the resources and authority they require to turns things around, and -- surprise! -- it turns out they do a GREAT job. In hindsight, this shouldn't be too surprising. What might be surprising is that the same logic should apply to ALL government functions, not just soft…

Disclosure: I'm an engineer at USDS and these are my own opinions. So in my admittedly short time in the government [0], I've witnessed how all of these problems are due to good intentions. That's what makes this all really tough because everything you think is bonkers actually has a reason. The 1400 page travel regulations is a result of trying to prevent fraud - every single issue that comes up results in a new rul…

"The 1400 page travel regulations is a result of trying to prevent fraud - every single issue that comes up results in a new rule."

This seems like a serious inability to understand that no process designed to prevent future things you can't forsee is 100% effective (by definition). At some point, you have to declare "good enough", and live with it until the error rate becomes unacceptable overall again, then modify it.

IE it's likely 50 pages of those regulations gave them a 99.9%+ rate of avoiding fraud. They then added 1350 pages to get to probably 99.99%

This is unlikely to be worth it.

(and yes, before someone points it out, i'm likely being generous with the numbers)

Re: Inside the Obama Tech Surge as It Hacks the Pentagon and VA

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclosure: I'm an engineer at USDS and these are my own opinions. So in my admittedly short time in the government [0], I've witnessed how all of these problems are due to good intentions. That's what makes this all really tough because everything you think is bonkers actually has a reason. The 1400 page travel regulations is a result of trying to prevent fraud - every single issue that comes up results in a new rul…

Thank you for posting here. The same logic applies to all those regulations that seem bonkers. If you think of all those regulations as a type of source code (which dictates what government employees and citizens can and cannot do, when, and under what conditions), it's clear that a lot of regulatory code needs major refactoring. To use your example with travel regulations, those 1400 pages designed to prevent fraud…

My guess is that most of those 1400 pages consist of the corner cases - things that will 95% of the time never pop up, but when they do will wreak havoc unless properly dealt with. Granted, I'm not sure travel fraud can wreak that much havoc, but I'm sure someone somewhere gets annoyed over it.

My (admittedly limited) experience in coding/engineering has taught me that it's unwise to look at technical problems and people problems in the same light; the former can be solved much easier than the latter. The trick is to figure out where you can solve the former to avoid the latter!

Re: Inside the Obama Tech Surge as It Hacks the Pentagon and VA

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post #7

The federal government hires a team of young, talented, motivated engineers and managers, puts them in charge of failed software projects, gives them the resources and authority they require to turns things around, and -- surprise! -- it turns out they do a GREAT job. In hindsight, this shouldn't be too surprising. What might be surprising is that the same logic should apply to ALL government functions, not just soft…

What does youth have to do with anything?

Re: Inside the Obama Tech Surge as It Hacks the Pentagon and VA

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclosure: I'm an engineer at USDS and these are my own opinions. So in my admittedly short time in the government [0], I've witnessed how all of these problems are due to good intentions. That's what makes this all really tough because everything you think is bonkers actually has a reason. The 1400 page travel regulations is a result of trying to prevent fraud - every single issue that comes up results in a new rul…

"The 1400 page travel regulations is a result of trying to prevent fraud - every single issue that comes up results in a new rule." This seems like a serious inability to understand that no process designed to prevent future things you can't forsee is 100% effective (by definition). At some point, you have to declare "good enough", and live with it until the error rate becomes unacceptable overall again, then modify…

Unfortunately there are a lot of people who believe government shouldn't do anything unless it is fraud-proof. The narratives around welfare and food stamp abuse make headlines for exactly this reason :(.

Re: Inside the Obama Tech Surge as It Hacks the Pentagon and VA

#37

It's my dream to work at USDS. First I need to save enough money to cover the difference in salary for 2-3 years.

Mmmm, I've been through the process and gotten an offer, and it wasn't that far off what the industry standard is (and honestly beats regular DC rates). They're really solid overall.

Granted everyone's got their own experiences, so YMMV I guess. Just curious where your data comes from?

Re: Inside the Obama Tech Surge as It Hacks the Pentagon and VA

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post #7

The federal government hires a team of young, talented, motivated engineers and managers, puts them in charge of failed software projects, gives them the resources and authority they require to turns things around, and -- surprise! -- it turns out they do a GREAT job. In hindsight, this shouldn't be too surprising. What might be surprising is that the same logic should apply to ALL government functions, not just soft…

Some government functions are intentionally poorly run. See the recent FOIA debacle, for instance.

Re: Inside the Obama Tech Surge as It Hacks the Pentagon and VA

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post #7

The federal government hires a team of young, talented, motivated engineers and managers, puts them in charge of failed software projects, gives them the resources and authority they require to turns things around, and -- surprise! -- it turns out they do a GREAT job. In hindsight, this shouldn't be too surprising. What might be surprising is that the same logic should apply to ALL government functions, not just soft…

>...young... This the first and presumably most important requirement in you opinion? Interesting. May I ask, how did you extrpolate it was a property of the team at all let alone responsible for its success let alone the first component of that success?

Young people are mobile, few obligations, and can easily live 4-6 in a rental townhouse in DC for two years while making below market rates.
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