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After the coup, Turkey turns against America

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I just finished reading last Chomsky book and that kind of post tastes so differently now. For example, that sentence is really strange: From the American perspective, Turkey has never been fully committed to the war against Islamist groups in Syria.

That's diplomatic speak for Turkey having been the biggest sponsor of ISIS.

Source please!

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Turkey is a very dangerous country. It has a large and powerful military, it could probably take over half the middle East if it wanted, and big parts of Eastern Europe. It would also like to take a bite out of Russia if Putin didn't have thousands of nukes. Let's hope they sway back to a secular, moderate nation.

'It would also like to take a bite out of Russia if Putin didn't have thousands of nukes. Let's hope they sway back to a secular, moderate nation.'

Yeah, no. Russian weapon systems are far more advanced than the stuff Turkey has, and they outnumber Turkey.

Their best equipment is some F-16 stuff that would be vastly overwhelmed by the number of MiG-29/31BM's that Russia has.

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Although from an outside perspective a military coup seems completely undemocratic the Turkish military has historically had the role of maintaining the principles Atatürk founded the Turkish Republic on. You can think of them as a built-in correction mechanism in case the government veers too far off course -- they remove the government, reset everything to start and then hand over control back to the people once th…

Its not just Erdogan. People of Turkey seem to be supporters of this path. Although its very sad.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a strange statement. From my perspective, America hasn't been either (if anything, the opposite)!

So I'm not the only to hallucinate? A few years ago, the goal was to make fall Bachar by any way, no? It's so sad that a Nobel Peace Prize has the worst foreign policy ever.

The US government stuck to the position of "Assad must go" way longer than reasonable. Russia had warned early on that displacing Assad would mean supporting the extremists even before ISIS/ISIL showed up in the media.

Russia had obvious strategic reasons to support Assad but even to a neutral observer it should have been obvious supporting the rebels would be a bad idea as soon as the Islamists showed up and the dangerous consequences of the Arab Spring (i.e. destabilizing entire countries that were now democratically electing radical groups) became apparent.

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The Turkish government needs to do this because the population generally has quite anti-US sentiments, and they are already vulnerable as the coup showed. Continuing to publically stand with the US would be politically very dangerous for them.

It's posturing. The US is an easy target because there's no chance in hell the US and Turkey will go to war and Turkey is irrelevant enough to the US (and important enough as an ally to NATO and Europe) that Erdogan can be sure there will be no consequences. Meanwhile the US's apathy can be exploited for publicity by Erdogan and he can put Europe in a tough spot. The coup wasn't a big threat. Only a fraction of the m…

"and important enough as an ally to NATO and Europe" I have to imagine at some point Europe will have had enough of Erdogan.

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In the last 24 hours - decapitation of the educational system (thank god, so far figuratively), cases of book burning - video is going viral as we speak, limitation of free travel of scientists, crackdown (even more) on media.

We are getting a dictatorship evolving in real time. If you are in the Balkans and hope that NATO will protect you - France and UK betrayed Czechoslovakia and Poland pre WWII and it has never been tested if US will go to war for its NATO obligations over the smaller countries.

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Turkey has turned over hundreds of American citizens who were caught trying to cross over to Syria. This is due to the criminal exchange agreement.

America like always, behaves as if no rules, no agreements, no pacts, no UN decisions matter to them. They are the big guys above everything. They denied handing the person accused of treason to Turkey.

The title should be.. "This time its Turkey: America deceives... again"

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Although from an outside perspective a military coup seems completely undemocratic the Turkish military has historically had the role of maintaining the principles Atatürk founded the Turkish Republic on. You can think of them as a built-in correction mechanism in case the government veers too far off course -- they remove the government, reset everything to start and then hand over control back to the people once th…

Its not just Erdogan. People of Turkey seem to be supporters of this path. Although its very sad.

The people have always been supporters of this path. That is why the reset button had to keep on being pushed by the military.
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