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Licenses of 21,000 Turkish teachers have been revoked

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Re: Licenses of 21,000 Turkish teachers have been revoked

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Post by karyon »

Jerry2 wrote: post #60
JohnStrange wrote: post #22

The coup was a last chance effort. Now Turkey has become a totalitarian dictatorship, there is no doubt about that. To be more precise, it already lost its status as democracy years ago when Erdogan had hundreds of prosecutors and policemen fired who dared to investigate corruption within his family. But with the latest purges you've got to wonder where they want to get the replacements from. Any sane person will pro…

> or vote In a dictatorship, it doesn't even matter who you vote for because the results can be falsified. Last Turkish election was stolen by Erdogan's AKP. And no one in western media said anything about it. Erik Meyersson, prof at Stockholm School of Economics, did the analysis of turkish election data and he found the evidence of falsification: https://erikmeyersson.com/2015/11/04/digit-tests-and-the-pec...

as i read it, not exactly evidence but rather strong hints. from the article: "evidence that would be consistent with widespread voting manipulation, not proof of it", also he makes two assumptions and adds "If any of these assumptions are violated, then the difference in last digit distributions is not informative of voting manipulation."

Re: Licenses of 21,000 Turkish teachers have been revoked

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Post by mikeash »

shkkmo wrote: post #92
mikeash wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems a little too conspiracy-ish to me. My feeling (and I am clueless and so probably wrong) is that the coup was real, but compromised from the start. The government knew it was coming, infiltrated it, and ensured it wouldn't pose a danger, but at its core I think it was real. I guess that line gets blurry, anyway. If you find someone with a legitimate grievance and then encourage them to rebel and give them s…

>If you find someone with a legitimate grievance and then encourage them to rebel and give them support, is that real or fake? According to the FBI, that would be real.

That same thought passed through my mind while writing my comment.

Re: Licenses of 21,000 Turkish teachers have been revoked

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Post by yardie »

vkou wrote: post #45
frandroid wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also difficult to run a modern society when you purge people capable of critical thought.

Seems to work just fine for most state operations. The people really capable of critical thought will quickly learn to keep their mouths shut.

Or they will leave.

Cuba is in the shape it's in because the industrialist, knowledge workers, business owners, all left. I honestly believe the revolution started with good intentions, then began to turn more authoritarian. And finally, stacked the ranks with incompetent loyalists.

Re: Licenses of 21,000 Turkish teachers have been revoked

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Post by ihsw »

TorKlingberg wrote: post #14
guard-of-terra wrote: post #2

> are mostly linked with terrorist activities All of them!?

I wonder how they compiled the list of political undesirables. Local informants? Targeting ethnic groups?

The intelligence apparatus in Turkey is all-encompassing and pervasive.

A healthy combination of SIGINT, HUMINT, and homicidal madness has brought us here.

Re: Licenses of 21,000 Turkish teachers have been revoked

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Post by busterarm »

mtgx wrote: post #96
busterarm wrote: post #63

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He wanted to consolidate his power and it was a really smart and ruthless move. It kind of shuts down the potential for any real coup to happen.

It probably will, but at the same time I also feel that these moves are "too sudden". Too many people are left without a job and hating Erdogan. And now they can organize. Unless Erdogan intends to kill them all, too, before they do that. Putin did all of this on a much slower timescale, and gave the society time to adapt. Erdogan is not doing that. He's taking all the power all at once, and throwing out all the oppo…

I'd love to think that but I am also skeptical.

I've met a lot of Turkish students in New York over the last 10 years who have absolutely no plans to go back to their country ever.

The friends I had growing up whose parents were Turkish diplomats all have no plans to go back (their parents/family included) and from what I heard most of their colleagues found ways to stay as well.

I think many who would react are finding ways to leave instead.

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Post by imartin2k »

Bartweiss wrote: post #98
imartin2k wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically, Erdogan has given up on the EU, and to be fair, the EU has probably missed out on an opportunity to draw Turkey into its sphere while the chance existed, and while Erdogan was willing to compromise.

I question whether Erdogan was ever seriously pursuing membership. He probably would have taken it, on good enough terms, but I don't think it was a goal. Too poorly aligned with his religious, autocratic tendencies. The narrative that makes more sense to me is that Erdogan used membership talks to maintain a moderate reputation, creating a retort to both domestic and international critics. It weakened the position o…

Your theory is shockingly convincing.

However, it would require Erdogan to be quite an intelligent, long-term thinking person. Which, in my eyes, has to be questioned considering how he is so emotional and short-tempered that he picks any tiny, meaningless war he can get, even if it means suing teenagers who "offend" him.

That's what, based on my limited understanding, is what distinguishes him from Putin. Putin is in many ways similar to Erdogan, but he actually knows that many minor fights are not worth pursuing. Which is why we the Internet can create cartoons and collages ridiculing Putin without being sued by him :)

Seeing Erdogan lacking essential personality traits of a good leader, I somehow have a hard time seeing that he is capable of that type of long-term planning. But who knows. He nevertheless managed to get quite far.

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