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Obama and Hillary made a huge error in judgment by siding with a fascist. It's amazing how we haven't gotten ourselves in deep sh!t already given how badly our leaders judge situations. But maybe we have, and we just don't know it yet.
Yes, how dare they not support a coup against a democratically elected government!
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Starting? That was clear when they purged the first few thousand.
Yes, "starting" may be too charitable, but the first few thousand were military, so it was at least plausible that they were tagged for actual involvement with the coup.
How Turkey could possibly still be in accession talks to join the EU is baffling and appalling to me.
I believe Brexit triggered this stuff. For example I saw some posts from turkish people on reddit, where they concluded that the few reaming Kemalists (there was a kemalist purge in 2011, with most of them replaced by Gulenists after some false accusations), would attempt a coup during EU-join talks, because they thought joining EU was a better deal than risking a coup. When Brexit happened, it became clear the EU wa…
That 'pointless effort' has a population larger than the United States and much of the highest standards of living and productivity on Earth. The daft vote by the least educated and deliberately, cynically manipulated and misled half of one country does not make or demonstrate the EU pointless. If the vote was held today it would not pass.
It's possible that EU expansion is over. We ran out of neighborhood democracies.
If Trump wins in a similar democratic fubar, will the US be pointless?
21,000 teachers and 1.5k deans. This is the kind of thing that pushes the education system and thus the country back a decade. How are they gonna find replacements? How are the students gonna cope without teachers? What is Erdogan trying to do..
I think you are thinking a century. Like pre Kemal.
That being said, how does a successful military coup increase a country's democracy in any conceivable way? How is this a "last ditch effort for democracy" as so many people here seem to be thinking? And why is the answer always "oh it was a fake"? How does it work in the first place? Do you think people will suddenly stop voting for their favorite party and ideology (opposing the ruling secular elite) after 14 years?
Obama and Hillary made a huge error in judgment by siding with a fascist. It's amazing how we haven't gotten ourselves in deep sh!t already given how badly our leaders judge situations. But maybe we have, and we just don't know it yet.
Yes, how dare they not support a coup against a democratically elected government!
The people had little choice in deciding their fate, now they have no choice. Erdogan is here to stay -- he will either eventually pass away of old age (see: Zimbabwe's eternal president, Mugabe) or be assassinated.
It's starting to seem like they had these lists made up ahead of time and have been waiting for the right time to start cleansing the ranks.
> It's starting to seem like they had these lists made up ahead of time and have been waiting for the right time to start cleansing the ranks. Kind of how the 342-page US Patriot Act was introduced days after the September 11th terrorist attacks?
The coup was a last chance effort. Now Turkey has become a totalitarian dictatorship, there is no doubt about that. To be more precise, it already lost its status as democracy years ago when Erdogan had hundreds of prosecutors and policemen fired who dared to investigate corruption within his family. But with the latest purges you've got to wonder where they want to get the replacements from. Any sane person will pro…
Well, then why didn't Turkish people join the coup? The coup lost all of its momentum when people started marching on the street. Perhaps next time they should consider assassination over a military take-over when all of the top military officials have been replaced by the President several years ago. Look at Syria. The civil war is still on-going. This is not Thailand. There is no King / Emperor to bless.
https://pulsemedia.org/2009/02/02/aldous-huxley-the-ultimate...
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>Perhaps next time they should consider assassination
Perhaps you should consider the possibility that this coup was staged by Erdogan himself in order to purge all critically thinking people in prominent positions.
How Turkey could possibly still be in accession talks to join the EU is baffling and appalling to me.
Basically, Erdogan has given up on the EU, and to be fair, the EU has probably missed out on an opportunity to draw Turkey into its sphere while the chance existed, and while Erdogan was willing to compromise.
It's starting to seem like they had these lists made up ahead of time and have been waiting for the right time to start cleansing the ranks.
> It's starting to seem like they had these lists made up ahead of time and have been waiting for the right time to start cleansing the ranks. Kind of how the 342-page US Patriot Act was introduced days after the September 11th terrorist attacks?