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Now I Fear Exploratory Interviewing While Employed

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Re: Now I Fear Exploratory Interviewing While Employed

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Post by steven777400 »

stavros wrote: post #7

I don't really understand this post. The author seems to be doing a lot of handwringing for no reason. Why not just tell the new company "I'm currently employed, so it is unlikely that I would leave my job, but I would be open to it for the right opportunity, if you're still interested"? That way, you both know where you stand, and you have a better negotiating position, since you don't need to take the new job.

This is exactly what I've done in the past. I haven't had any issue. I don't make a big deal out of it, but I do let them know I'm currently happy where I am so, if they decide they are interested in moving forward, they'll have to make it worth my while.

Re: Now I Fear Exploratory Interviewing While Employed

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Post by tomjen3 »

Rage. Your employer pays your salary, you do your very best work for them. That is all you owe them. If they expect to make a penny more without you, they will.

You do not owe them loyalty beyond that. You owe negative loyalty to a recruiter, especially somebody trying to guilt you.

Re: Now I Fear Exploratory Interviewing While Employed

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Post by cloudjacker »

I try to subtly steer the direction of the interview process from within my current companies. But it is fruitless, last time I got responses from other engineers that conduct the interviews like:

- "real world problems are not discrete enough to present and solve within 10 minutes" (but the random "average best solution" for a random algorithm question is, and they have 30 minutes to an hour to fumble through it without us telling them they really had 10 minutes)

- this is what we do for everyone (and when we find the right candidate that fits our autistic goals and is also sociable enough for our arbitrary culture fit ideals, we won't have any exercise like it in the actual job)

I just don't get how there is so much media about how bad the interview process is, on here and linkedin, but nobody has an alternative yet. Is hand waiving it away with "we just dont want false negatives" really the absolute to perpetuate this inefficient process?

Re: Now I Fear Exploratory Interviewing While Employed

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Post by 3pt14159 »

Just ask for way more money. What would it take for you to get to that more pricey spot? An extra $50k? Just do it. I've seen people get 30 or 50% more on their offer by impressing the hell out of the interviewers. Don't think that the the flight makes you owe them anything. Why do they need to do an in-person interview? I've hired plenty of people out of province with a couple extended Google Hangouts chats as well as code review.

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Post by timwaagh »

I do not see a real reason why one should be afraid of trying to find a better offer. I do not think it is right to be so emotionally attached to an employer. all they do is give you money to do stuff they don't want to do. It's just business and loyalty should not come into it.

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Post by altcognito »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #4

Funny: the recruiter was annoyed at his declination email - a phone call was apparently expected. But how does a company decline? "We do not see a fit at this time, but we'll keep your resume on file". Lol

The recruiter was upset he didn't get a chance to browbeat him into changing his mind. The author should stick up for himself because recruiters are not highly incentivized to care about your happiness. If you don't upset future business, that's all that matters to them.

Re: Now I Fear Exploratory Interviewing While Employed

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Post by chrisabrams »

stavros wrote: post #7

I don't really understand this post. The author seems to be doing a lot of handwringing for no reason. Why not just tell the new company "I'm currently employed, so it is unlikely that I would leave my job, but I would be open to it for the right opportunity, if you're still interested"? That way, you both know where you stand, and you have a better negotiating position, since you don't need to take the new job.

I concur - it's like the author never even attempted to get a cost of living adjustment in the offer.

Re: Now I Fear Exploratory Interviewing While Employed

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Post by pjc50 »

There was once a company giving out free iPads to anyone who could pass their tech screen interview. This was round about the first release of the iPad, so it was quite a big deal - they were expensive and out of stock at local retailers.

I went in, passed the interview, collected my iPad, and at the second round interview had a very strange "so why are you interested in working here?" discussion. I wasn't, I was only there for the iPad.

Re: Now I Fear Exploratory Interviewing While Employed

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Post by dominotw »

All my interviews in my past few months have been in this format.

1. Talking to recruiter ( 0-1 hr)

2. InterviewStreet coding challenge ( 2 hrs)

3. Phone Screen - 1 hr

4. Take home coding exercise - 4 hrs

So you are spending 8 hrs just to get your resume looked at. Then comes onsite interview which is another day ( assuming you are not flying out).

All recruiter did was mass email ppl on linkedin. Spending at most 1 hr on your particular case. You have all the right to say no, its none of their business why. I've had Amazon recruiters not even have the courtesy to email me back when I didn't pass ( assuming) their interviewstreet. They don't even tell you why you got rejected when you don't pass the interview so you don't have to either if you don't want to. Just tell them 'it was difficult decision', if you are feeling particularly generous :D.

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