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Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by Alterlife »

NobleSir wrote: post #25
muraiki wrote: post #13

I read another article that said that the failure to reach this metric was due to the lack of sales of Win10 on phones. When I tried a pre-Win10 Lumia in a store I actually found it very impressive, but I heard that the Win10 mobile launch had a rocky start. It seems strange to me that Microsoft was pushing for universal apps, and now that it's close enough to finally happening they've given up on mobile. Somewhat of…

>given up on mobile I don't know about that, they sure have been pushing a lot of new builds lately : https://www.reddit.com/domain/blogs.windows.com/search?q=bui... though I guess they did sell part of Nokia or something.. Sad because those phones are super durable for someone like me who breaks devices constantly

Unfortunately, Lumia's are not durable. The screen of my Lumia 620 broke after just a few months of use.

Nokia's legendary durability died with the feature phone.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by iancarroll »

gnu8 wrote: post #19
rasz_pl wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sales? most of current installs come from underhanded malware infection.

Why would this comment be voted down? Software that tries to mislead and nag the user into taking an action that damages their computer is malware. The only reason Microsoft doesn't forcibly apply the update to all Windows computers without permission is because that would undeniably be malware. But the net effect is the same - Windows 10 is installed without the owner's knowledge or consent. Windows 10 IS malware.

Windows 10 doesn't (edit: intentionally) damage a computer. Calling it malware is ridiculous.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by NobleSir »

Alterlife wrote: post #41
NobleSir wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>given up on mobile I don't know about that, they sure have been pushing a lot of new builds lately : https://www.reddit.com/domain/blogs.windows.com/search?q=bui... though I guess they did sell part of Nokia or something.. Sad because those phones are super durable for someone like me who breaks devices constantly

Unfortunately, Lumia's are not durable. The screen of my Lumia 620 broke after just a few months of use. Nokia's legendary durability died with the feature phone.

Well, I haven't used the 620, but my anecdotal experience has been the opposite.

List of recent devices I own that are unbroken:

lumia 521, 950, and Kyocera Rise.

broken:

nexus 7 (screen after 2 months), asus fonepad note 6 (screen after ~1 year), galaxy s4 (won't connect to tower, probably my fault for installing roms incorrectly)

In particular the 950 has been dropped in the river in breckenridge, and the 521 in a natural hotspring / taken on many rainy hikes / dropped more times than I can count.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by dspillett »

Alterlife wrote: post #41
NobleSir wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>given up on mobile I don't know about that, they sure have been pushing a lot of new builds lately : https://www.reddit.com/domain/blogs.windows.com/search?q=bui... though I guess they did sell part of Nokia or something.. Sad because those phones are super durable for someone like me who breaks devices constantly

Unfortunately, Lumia's are not durable. The screen of my Lumia 620 broke after just a few months of use. Nokia's legendary durability died with the feature phone.

My 820 took one hell of a beating over the time between purchase and replacement. Its replacement seems pretty hardy too. Though I get the impression the build quality and sturdiness were far more variable between models than found around the 3110/3210/3310 era.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by adevine »

davidf18 wrote: post #40

In real dollars, the cost of Macs are extremely low. $1 in 2000 is about $1.40 now. So the cost of a $1000 13" Mac Air which is a very respectable laptop is about $700 in 2000 dollars. Even IBM has gone to using Macs today. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2998315/apple-mac/every... So the machines are very cheap, even to IBM they are easier to use and require less tech support. For those that want to do some sof…

> In real dollars, the cost of Macs are extremely low. $1 in 2000 is about $1.40 now. So the cost of a $1000 13" Mac Air which is a very respectable laptop is about $700 in 2000 dollars.

This comparison makes no sense to me. It's 2016, not 2000, so the fact that a Mac Air is $700 in 2000 dollars is a completely random and arbitrary number.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by bhauer »

stordoff wrote: post #30
muraiki wrote: post #13

I read another article that said that the failure to reach this metric was due to the lack of sales of Win10 on phones. When I tried a pre-Win10 Lumia in a store I actually found it very impressive, but I heard that the Win10 mobile launch had a rocky start. It seems strange to me that Microsoft was pushing for universal apps, and now that it's close enough to finally happening they've given up on mobile. Somewhat of…

> When I tried a pre-Win10 Lumia in a store I actually found it very impressive, but I heard that the Win10 mobile launch had a rocky start. It's been solid since, but the first month or so of Windows 10 on a Lumia 950 was rough going. Store was unreliable, battery drained in ~6 hours (same hardware/usage will now last me 24+ hours), and auto-updater got permanently stuck at 0%. Only way to move to a working build wa…

Roughly the same experience here. I still get more application crashes (wherein the application simply closes and needs to be restarted) than I did with WP 8 and 8.1. However, most apps that exhibit this behavior are holdovers that weren't refreshed for Windows 10 Mobile, such as the Podcasts app. And while app crashes are annoying, the OS is fine and the application restarts quickly enough.

That said, I remain a user who isn't interested in the latest trendy apps. I don't feel an urge to play Pokemon Go (although I find the phenomenon hilariously awesome). For the basics—web browsing, e-mail, text messaging, maps, calendaring—Windows 10 Mobile is great.

Continuum—the feature that converts the phone into a "regular" computer—is quite nice, although I don't use it much since I have more than enough computers already.

I am hopeful that a Surface Phone will eventually arrive and make Continuum more compelling. I could get into the idea of carrying a lightweight keyboard/display thing instead of a laptop. The HP Elite x3 already works this way.

Overall, I remain a bigger fan of Windows Mobile than I was of Android or iOS before that. When I use a modern Android device, Android feels sterile and clunky; meanwhile modern iOS feels too little evolved since iOS 1.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by PostOnce »

davidf18 wrote: post #40

In real dollars, the cost of Macs are extremely low. $1 in 2000 is about $1.40 now. So the cost of a $1000 13" Mac Air which is a very respectable laptop is about $700 in 2000 dollars. Even IBM has gone to using Macs today. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2998315/apple-mac/every... So the machines are very cheap, even to IBM they are easier to use and require less tech support. For those that want to do some sof…

roughly 40% of American workers earn under 20k.

what percent of laptops sold do you think are under $500? I bet most.

And now chromebooks wax popular.

Macs aren't for the masses, cost wise.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by wangchow »

I've been using the Lumia 650 for a couple months now and it's a solid device. If only it was their first iteration! Also, for those used to using a Macbook/Ipad/Iphone, consider the Surface lineup is really tablet-and-laptop in one. I have been using a Surface Pro 3 for about 2 years now and really swear by the device. There's nothing like it on the market. The anniversary Win10 update is coming soon too.

Tough to say what their goals are in the mobile space though.. It's a saturated market and people are already plugged into ecosystems so it's tough to pull them out. The plus with Windows 10 Universal though is that for developers, why not make it universal and get added mobile/desktop app for free?

Hard to say where they're going.. The entire market has sort of reached a strange place with shifts to the cloud and attempts at AI (I disable cortana by the way because she eats battery for breakfast).

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by _Understated_ »

tantalor wrote: post #9
0xcde4c3db wrote: post #7

This says more about the prediction process than it does about Windows 10. Overly optimistic sales projections are a dime a dozen.

Sales? It was free. They can't give it away.

It's only free if you have a valid Windows 7 or 8 license that you have already paid for so really, it's not free at all.
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