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Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by FussyZeus » Mon, Jul 18, 2016, 1:20 PM UTC

I remember when 7 (and even Vista for a certain number of users who had a powerful machine and the right hardware) came out, there was a lot of them saying how happy they were to upgrade from XP (and definitely Vista for obvious reasons). Finding someone who loved 7 compared to Vista was easy, they were everywhere.

Contrast that with 10, I think I've found maybe 2 people in my group of online and offline friends who "like" it, not love, just like, and the rest are varying degrees of indifference and of course there's a few people who outright hate it.

One of my sysadmin friends is currently looking into if he can rebuild his company laptop with 7 because he just can't stand 10.

I only bring this up because it seems like while people didn't like 8 hardly at all, nobody really seems to love 10 either. They either shrug their shoulders because they don't care, or they tolerate it because it's better than nothing.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by vblord » Mon, Jul 18, 2016, 1:20 PM UTC

noxToken wrote: post #23

zerr wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similarly, but for me it was Vista. I'm still on Win7 until MS comes up with "better 7", nothing so far...

I plan on test driving 10 this weekend. From what I've heard (installation tactics aside), it seems like Win10 is a better Win7. What about it doesn't make it a better Win7? Edit: Clarification.

Windows 10 is awesome. Everyone I know was excited to upgrade. I think it's much better than Win 7. I think you'll like it.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by smrtinsert » Mon, Jul 18, 2016, 1:23 PM UTC

Surprising given that I've really been enjoying Windows 10. Built a recently and I put it on it just figuring it was stable enough. I'm really liking it and find it so pleasant and seamless I haven't even disabled UAC!

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by jasonkostempski » Mon, Jul 18, 2016, 1:27 PM UTC

muraiki wrote: post #13

I read another article that said that the failure to reach this metric was due to the lack of sales of Win10 on phones. When I tried a pre-Win10 Lumia in a store I actually found it very impressive, but I heard that the Win10 mobile launch had a rocky start. It seems strange to me that Microsoft was pushing for universal apps, and now that it's close enough to finally happening they've given up on mobile. Somewhat of…

"Your files are exactly where you left them"

I found something very HALish about that screen. A vague somewhat reassuring statement with an ominous tone. I mean, great, they're right where I left them but will you grant me access them?

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by herbst » Mon, Jul 18, 2016, 1:28 PM UTC

majewsky wrote: post #29

herbst wrote: post #3

A metrix where windows does not look like a failure has to be created first. Not even them are able to do so.

What about desktop market share?

If constant decline does not say failure for you i don't know ether.

Given its slow, but consistent non the less.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by ams6110 » Mon, Jul 18, 2016, 1:32 PM UTC

vblord wrote: post #32

noxToken wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I plan on test driving 10 this weekend. From what I've heard (installation tactics aside), it seems like Win10 is a better Win7. What about it doesn't make it a better Win7? Edit: Clarification.

Windows 10 is awesome. Everyone I know was excited to upgrade. I think it's much better than Win 7. I think you'll like it.

From a usability standpoint, Windows 10 is nice.

Do check compatibility before upgrading. My middle-aged Dell Precision laptop with Windows 7 sticker does not officially support Windows 10 according to Dell.

It runs Windows 10 OK but I do get the occasional blue-screen panic from the wireless network interface driver.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by youdontknowtho » Mon, Jul 18, 2016, 1:37 PM UTC

I love the register. (I'm not kidding. I think they are awesome.)

The only thing that makes this not click bait is that their writing is often the funniest in the tech industry. They are acerbic about everything and everyone. I like that.

Microsoft will meet the billion device mark, but it will take longer now that they have given up on mobile...for the time being. I doubt seriously that they have given up on mobile completely and forever. Times and tech change. They may still find a niche to play in. There are so many internet enabled devices these days that they could find a niche and still hit a billion devices running windows if you count xbox and PC's.

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by mistermann » Mon, Jul 18, 2016, 1:38 PM UTC

stordoff wrote: post #30

muraiki wrote: post #13

I read another article that said that the failure to reach this metric was due to the lack of sales of Win10 on phones. When I tried a pre-Win10 Lumia in a store I actually found it very impressive, but I heard that the Win10 mobile launch had a rocky start. It seems strange to me that Microsoft was pushing for universal apps, and now that it's close enough to finally happening they've given up on mobile. Somewhat of…

> When I tried a pre-Win10 Lumia in a store I actually found it very impressive, but I heard that the Win10 mobile launch had a rocky start. It's been solid since, but the first month or so of Windows 10 on a Lumia 950 was rough going. Store was unreliable, battery drained in ~6 hours (same hardware/usage will now last me 24+ hours), and auto-updater got permanently stuck at 0%. Only way to move to a working build wa…

> battery drained in ~6 hours

So, parity with Android then? (I kid, I kid....kinda.)

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by torgoguys » Mon, Jul 18, 2016, 1:43 PM UTC

Yes, it will fail TO hit it's own metric (1 billion devices by mid 2018) and thus is a "failure" on that metric. However, saying (as this headline does) that Windows is a failure "by Microsoft's own metric" implies it has failed in the marketplace. Nope--it's reasonably popular (no doubt helped by the free upgrade).

Windows 7 is still king by a long shot, but Apple, for example, would love if MacOS/OSX's market share (all versions!) totalled as many computers as just Windows 10--it would be an approximately 50% increase in Apple's laptop/desktop market share. (Source is https://netmarketshare.com/. No direct link available. Click on "Operating Systems" / "Desktop Share by Version" for details.)

Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric

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Post by davidf18 » Mon, Jul 18, 2016, 1:43 PM UTC

In real dollars, the cost of Macs are extremely low. $1 in 2000 is about $1.40 now. So the cost of a $1000 13" Mac Air which is a very respectable laptop is about $700 in 2000 dollars.

Even IBM has gone to using Macs today. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2998315/apple-mac/every...

So the machines are very cheap, even to IBM they are easier to use and require less tech support. For those that want to do some software development with open source, very useful.

While Office 2016 Mac is not as good as Office 2016 Windows, it works fairly well.

And if you really need the Windows 10 OS, you can invest in a Parallels virtual machine.

Besides, for many of us, Apple has stores where we can take the computer into a Genius Bar to get problems fixed.

In NYC, we even have a 24 hour/367 store (Fifth Avenue). There will be a seventh store in Manhattan soon. There is one in Queens, Statin Island, and one in Brooklyn soon.

Other cities have access as well of course.

So, except in certain important cases like gaming and certain specific applications, or cases where the stylus and touch is really important and the Microsoft Surface would be a best choice, a Mac is a better investment for most.