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Re: Ask HN: Is artificial intelligence/natural language processing a futile pursuit?

#11
This sounds like a really neat product and you sound really smart. I would love to chat with you because I have some (hopefully) unique ideas about how to tackle this problem, and would love to share. My email is zackster@gmåil.com

Re: Ask HN: Is artificial intelligence/natural language processing a futile pursuit?

#12
No, it's not futile! Finding ways to get good information fast with the data explosion is one of the challenges we face in computer science. Anyway, the good folks at GATE are building a great set of tools for NLP for several years. The tools are similar to what you are doing. You are not crazy and we need more people like you to advance computer science! http://gate.ac.uk/

Re: Ask HN: Is artificial intelligence/natural language processing a futile pursuit?

#13
I don't think NLP and AI are dead-ends, however, I agree with you that sentiment analysis is a crowded area.

Personally I find I need sophisticated domain-specific heuristics to evaluate consumer reviews in particular spaces. For instance, when I buy a lens for my camera, I'm going to look at reviews, but it's tricky because there are always good and bad reviews for any lens. Some of the people who get bad reviews had a camera with a screwed up AF or they never really understood how to use the lens or what its limitations were. Then you look at say, a Sigma lens for the Canon platform and you'll see that different people are having wildly different results and you'd better just forget about it.

Dashboards and stuff like that is a waste of time. What I really want is something that creates a super-expert opinion that's maybe 3 sentences to a paragraph wrong. A bit beyond the state of the art.

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More generally, I think Doug Lenat had the right idea with Cyc, but he went about it the wrong way. Had Doug not been able to make a comfortable living doing work for the government, he would have been forced to produce a revolutionary product, but he wasn't.

I think that the linked data space around the semantic web is going to explode and ultimately produce the "commonsense" knowledgebase that it takes to build real NLP systems.

Most of the people I know in the knowledge-management space are trying to develop expensive projects for government, pharma, legal discovery and such. I think, however, they are in the "pay a lot, get a little" businesses that are going to be disrupted by the next wave. On one hand you've got Google, Microsoft and a few biggies that are going to develop large-scale but low-margin products. The other side is going to be a vast, largely low-margin market of operators who pull from and add to the great linked data pool... which is going to grow like a Katamari ball until we reach the Singularity, maybe around 2025 or so.

Re: Ask HN: Is artificial intelligence/natural language processing a futile pursuit?

#14
The fundamental problem with AI is the lack of parallelization. There are more connections in the human brain than there are atoms in the universe.

I am sure someone can write an AI program that is comparable with human intelligence on paper at this moment in time. But, the complexity of the algorithm would probably be exponential, hence massive parallelization is necessary.

I think the ibm blue brain project has the right approach for AI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Brain_Project

Re: Ask HN: Is artificial intelligence/natural language processing a futile pursuit?

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The fundamental problem with AI is the lack of parallelization. There are more connections in the human brain than there are atoms in the universe. I am sure someone can write an AI program that is comparable with human intelligence on paper at this moment in time. But, the complexity of the algorithm would probably be exponential, hence massive parallelization is necessary. I think the ibm blue brain project has the…

Uh. Wouldn't those connections need to be made of atoms?

Re: Ask HN: Is artificial intelligence/natural language processing a futile pursuit?

#16

The fundamental problem with AI is the lack of parallelization. There are more connections in the human brain than there are atoms in the universe. I am sure someone can write an AI program that is comparable with human intelligence on paper at this moment in time. But, the complexity of the algorithm would probably be exponential, hence massive parallelization is necessary. I think the ibm blue brain project has the…

Uh. Wouldn't those connections need to be made of atoms?

Good point. Though I'm still sure that he's right in that there are many, many connections in the human brain.

Re: Ask HN: Is artificial intelligence/natural language processing a futile pursuit?

#17
I work on NLP for Chinese text with the Adso project (http://popupchinese.com/tools/downloads). This is a natural language processing engine that handles segmentation, sense analysis and semantic regexp for Chinese text.

In my experience, the complexity of most NLP applications work against them in the sense that they're competing with simpler approaches that are less computationally intensive. Good technology will let you do things other people can't do, but if you want to make it a business you'll need to know how to compete against Google doing 80% of what you can do with simple pattern matching. Your results will need to be orders of magnitude better before you have something people will use, let alone for which they'll pay. And be careful not to get trapped in a field where you'll be competing against companies paying serious cash for commercial databases to which you do not have access.

I'm personally skeptical there is much of a market for sentiment analysis incidentally, but the same tools are pretty useful for search (preprocessing, etc.). I think you'll find it difficult to get third-party adoption unless your product drives direct revenue for someone or can very visibly improve their product. But the problems are important and worth solving!

Re: Ask HN: Is artificial intelligence/natural language processing a futile pursuit?

#18
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh. Wouldn't those connections need to be made of atoms?

Good point. Though I'm still sure that he's right in that there are many, many connections in the human brain.

There are more potential connections in between neurons in the human brain than there are atoms in the universe.

Or at least that is the way I heard it.

Re: Ask HN: Is artificial intelligence/natural language processing a futile pursuit?

#19
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good point. Though I'm still sure that he's right in that there are many, many connections in the human brain.

There are more potential connections in between neurons in the human brain than there are atoms in the universe. Or at least that is the way I heard it.

There are more potential connections between my cat and your dog than there are atoms in the universe. It's meaningless; just exponentiate something big enough and you get over the atom count :-)

Re: Ask HN: Is artificial intelligence/natural language processing a futile pursuit?

#20
Hi,

I have decades of experience with old style AI and a decade of the new kind :-). I specialize in language understanding algorithms and near-pefect sentiment analysis is something I expect we'll be able to do eventually using the methods I've invented.

The top level bit to worry about is whether you are attempting to re-do something that is already known not to work. Litmus tests: Are you using models of language such as grammars that are explicitly programmed in? Is your system specific to a single language so that switching to another would require complete re-coding? Do you employ linguists? If you answer yes to these, then you are in trouble.

I discussed how to get a modern AI education in an early blog entry at http://monicasmind.com

I propose a shift in direction of AI research in the second video at http://videos.syntience.com and explain why that's needed in the first one. Three more videos discuss details.

I have a theory/motivational site (6 pages or so) at http://artificial-intuition.com

I'm available for high level consultation on these issues. I worked at Google (I quit 2006) and although I cannot talk about what they do, I certainly will have an idea about what will be required to outperform them, both short term and long term.

If anyone wants to support Syntience Inc. in our effort to get true understanding to computers, please get in touch.

  - Monica Anderson
  http://syntience.com
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