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Warren Buffett describes being born in the USA as having won "the ovarian lottery" which sounds about right, as you've described it. [0]: http://www.businessinsider.com/warren-buffett-on-the-ovarian...

I know quite a few Australians/Kiwis who are able to obtain their British passports. Honestly I think that's worth way more than a US citizenship. They can work and live in any country in the EU, Australia and New Zealand, without a work visa (well for two more years anyway :-P).

> They can work and live in any country in the EU

Brexit might well see to that one though. And working in Australia visa free isn't all sunshine and roses, you have to pay full Australian taxes, but get none of the benefits of being an Australian resident or citizen.

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As someone who grew up 100km from Italy. US pizza sucks. Easily one of the things I miss most about home. Also good sausages.

America is a huge place. There's a pizzeria in San Francisco, California, run by a man who has won the Naples pizza contest 12 times.

Pazzia?

That was amazing pizza indeed. Loved it.

On average though ...

Re: Passport Index 2016

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OT: Is Finland a Germanic nation? Their language isn't afaik.

No. Finland speaks Finnish and Swedish, and they lie within the Nordic region.

Well that doesn't really exclude them since Swedes and Norwegians are Germanic. After more research it seems that Finns are a distinct ethnic group though their origins are somewhat uncertain https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finn

In any case, it's all pretty irrelevant to the site.

Re: Passport Index 2016

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I know quite a few Australians/Kiwis who are able to obtain their British passports. Honestly I think that's worth way more than a US citizenship. They can work and live in any country in the EU, Australia and New Zealand, without a work visa (well for two more years anyway :-P).

> They can work and live in any country in the EU Brexit might well see to that one though. And working in Australia visa free isn't all sunshine and roses, you have to pay full Australian taxes, but get none of the benefits of being an Australian resident or citizen.

Well, a US passport isn't all sunshine and roses either. The only country I know that taxes its citizens living abroad.

Re: Passport Index 2016

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I've often thought of the dollar value of my US passport (/citizenship). It would definitely be my most valuable asset (then again, taxes are by far my biggest expense). Besides almost unrestricted travel - my income is far higher in the US than it would be in any other country I've looked at. It's easy to forget how lucky those of us in the developed world are and how so many try so hard to gain status here. Good lu…

This is why I think the European Union should be more like an actual union. You should be able to subscribe to it, and your membership would grant you a passport, rights and duties. It would solve the whole Brexit issue, because everyone who wanted to remain a member could do so. It wouldn't even be that expensive - we pay about £185/year each at the moment to be in the EU (£13bn/70m people). Edit: Obviously this is…

There are a few issues with this idea.

First, you say that it wouldn't be that expensive at £185/year, but that's the price when you're also offering rights to others in the Union to live and work in your country and giving access to your market to the rest of the Union's goods. The £185/year would barely scratch the surface.

Second, who would the cash come from and go to? Presumably, it would be from individual Britons. Would it go to the rest of Europe? £185/year would be very cheap to gain access to the right to live and work in Europe. In fact, countries do sell citizenships, but for a lot more than that. I believe Malta is the easiest way to buy yourself EU citizenship and requires a gift of €650,000 to the government, €150,000 parked in government bonds for 5 years (probably earning next to nothing), and buying at least €350,000 in property (and holding it for at least 5 years).

Third, if you could cheaply buy the right to live and work in the EU, why would any country stay? Let me explain the scenario. If I'm a member country of the EU, I must open my borders to other EU countries, but in exchange those countries are open to me. Why wouldn't I want to simply leave and then let the minority of those in my country that want access to the rest to pay a tiny fee? In fact, if that fee is the same that I'm paying for all my citizens currently, the government could even pay it for those that want it and save loads of money. In this scenario, everyone leaves the Union because it's cheaper to just buy the right for the small few that want it. If only 1% of your population actually wants to exercise that right in a given year, you could cut your cost from £13B to £130M.

The issue is that a foreign country isn't going to give you access when your country won't give their citizens access on equal terms. It's not an issue of a small fee. Why should a British person willing to pay £185/year get access to the EU while a French person willing to pay £185/year wouldn't get access to the UK? That's the heart of the Brexit issue and why a small fee has nothing to do with the problem. Europe isn't going to give British people freedom of movement into Europe when the UK won't give Europeans freedom of movement into the UK. Why should they give UK citizens more rights than those of other European nations?

The issue is that there aren't a lot of alternatives that are in any way realistic. A realistic solution would mean that UK citizens don't get to live/work in more places than other EU citizens without some form of consideration proportional to the right. £185/year isn't proportional, especially since other EU nations must pay into EU coffers. I'm always interested in alternatives, but most alternatives sound more like, "this would be useful and cheap for me and next I'd like a free, unlimited mobile plan with no strings attached." Of course it would be useful if the EU let you pay a tiny fee for the right to live and work in the rest of the EU. Would the UK also let Europeans pay that fee to live and work in the UK? No? Ah, there's the problem.

A realistic solution could be one where a country in the EU allows UK citizens to become citizens of their country provided they renounce all ties to the UK and give up all rights in the UK. That would allow UK citizens to determine which set of rights they wanted to live under - but they'd lose UK rights if they chose the European side. But that's not "I get the best of both worlds." If you want rights in both the UK and Europe, then you need to be willing to offer those rights to EU citizens, not just UK citizens. To be fair, you might be more than willing to offer that if you were part of the remain camp, but that doesn't square with Brexit.

Ultimately, the issue is just that Brexit is a rejection of the type of thing you think could be nice. Brexit is a rejection of freedom of movement. Brexit is a rejection of making national citizenship less meaningful. Brexit is a rejection of the idea that you should be able to easily live and work where you want to. Your idea might be cool, but it's the opposite of Brexit. Maybe we should move to a world where we can freely join "nations" or "unions" that square with what we want in life rather than being citizens of where we were born or whom we were born to. But that's the opposite of the sentiment expressed by Brexit which seeks to limit that type of freedom.

Re: Passport Index 2016

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No mention yet of the very best passport to have - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_laissez-passer (It's baby blue of course) It's kind of neat to see them in the wild.

> It remains unclear what the remaining added value of an UNLP is, in view of the restrictions imposed by different countries. What is the value?

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Re: Passport Index 2016

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Dubai and by the extension doesn't require any sort of exit permit to leave the country unless you're giving up your residency at which time, you go through a pretty painless visa cancellation process. Very free movement given our strong aviation culture and infrastructure.

Except for the migrant workers, who built said infrastructure and are often compared to slaves. It's not easy for them to leave.

That's because their passports are taken from them, no? I had no issues leaving Dubai last time I visited.

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post #111

No mention yet of the very best passport to have - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_laissez-passer (It's baby blue of course) It's kind of neat to see them in the wild.

Curious, why is it the best passport to have?

It's "the best" in the sense of being the classiest (but definitely not the most powerful as a standalone passport, it would be ranked pretty low in the featured site). Obviously, it also has immense value in supporting the fact that you're UN staff.

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post #113
post #111

No mention yet of the very best passport to have - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_laissez-passer (It's baby blue of course) It's kind of neat to see them in the wild.

> It remains unclear what the remaining added value of an UNLP is, in view of the restrictions imposed by different countries. What is the value?

Low-traffic Wikipedia articles often feature a mix of referenced facts and confused opinions (eg. the sentence you're quoting, which almost seems to be a joke statement). Hit me pretty hard in university when I put complete garbage about plant classification in my (admittedly rushed) dissertation.

Re: Passport Index 2016

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post #184

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> They can work and live in any country in the EU Brexit might well see to that one though. And working in Australia visa free isn't all sunshine and roses, you have to pay full Australian taxes, but get none of the benefits of being an Australian resident or citizen.

Well, a US passport isn't all sunshine and roses either. The only country I know that taxes its citizens living abroad.

Indeed, quite a few US citizens abroad cancel their US citizenship due to IRS tax problems.
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