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How a Danish Town Helped Young Muslims Turn Away from ISIS

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Re: How a Danish Town Helped Young Muslims Turn Away from ISIS

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Post by ta4bs »

ameen wrote: post #22
internaut wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is your solution to this? Not being sarcastic downvoter! I really want to know.

Solution is organic development of a nation. Assad was an imposed ruler. The kept growing in power until he felt he could equate himself with God. He has killed far more than Daesh can ever hope to. The Iraq invasion was a major debacle as well. A functioning state (although a hostile one to the US) was invaded and it's societal structures torn down. A power vaccum in Iraq and civil war in a neighboring country were…

> Solution is organic development of a nation.

check: does this include arming of dissidents by foreign powers?

> Assad was an imposed ruler. The kept growing in power until he felt he could equate himself with God.

check: need just /one/ citation for this assertion.

> He has killed far more than Daesh can ever hope to.

check: need just /one/ citation for this assertion.

Re: How a Danish Town Helped Young Muslims Turn Away from ISIS

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Post by digi_owl »

Animats wrote: post #8
jacquesm wrote: post #2

Fascinating, and worrisome. This paragraph jumped out at me because of the numbers involved: "Starting in 2012, 34 people went from Aarhus to Syria. As far as the police know, six were killed and 10 are still over there. Of the 18 who came back home, all showed up in Aarslev and Link's office, as did hundreds of other potential radicals in Aarhus — about 330 in total." If a small town like Aarhus harboured 34 people…

Aarhus is the second-largest city in Denmark. Copenhagen is only ~562K. But still, that's a lot of people for what most countries consider a small city. "Potential radical" can be anyone who goes to a mosque with a militant iman. That may not be a meaningful designation. Only about 1 in 10,000 tried to join ISIS. About 250 Americans have tried to join ISIS, says the FBI. That's about 1 in a million for the US. Around…

> "Potential radical" can be anyone who goes to a mosque with a militant iman.

That oversimplifies a bit. You do not simply walk in a well adjusted individual and walk out a radical.

If you check the background of all the people mentioned, i bet you that you will find history involving social services, trouble at school, possibly a rap sheet.

Again and again, no matter if a person is muslim, christian, or something else entirely, the common denominator is that they feel themselves not fitting in with the society around them.

Re: How a Danish Town Helped Young Muslims Turn Away from ISIS

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Post by jomamaxx »

HappyFunGuy wrote: post #28

Hey anyone know if muslim population correlate with terror attacks, and if so, is it causative?

You're probably downvoted because of the difficulty some people have when the facts might possibly contradict their ideological motivations. It's a problem across the political spectrum. Nobody wants to know the truth. They want to push their narrative.

Re: How a Danish Town Helped Young Muslims Turn Away from ISIS

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Post by jacquesm »

digi_owl wrote: post #32
Animats wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aarhus is the second-largest city in Denmark. Copenhagen is only ~562K. But still, that's a lot of people for what most countries consider a small city. "Potential radical" can be anyone who goes to a mosque with a militant iman. That may not be a meaningful designation. Only about 1 in 10,000 tried to join ISIS. About 250 Americans have tried to join ISIS, says the FBI. That's about 1 in a million for the US. Around…

> "Potential radical" can be anyone who goes to a mosque with a militant iman. That oversimplifies a bit. You do not simply walk in a well adjusted individual and walk out a radical. If you check the background of all the people mentioned, i bet you that you will find history involving social services, trouble at school, possibly a rap sheet. Again and again, no matter if a person is muslim, christian, or something e…

Just like all those other confused teenagers that end up shooting up their highschool and similar.

Having a different skin color, being ostracized by society for whatever reason, ignored by the girls the media suggest they should be interested in, it's not easy being a young male in any society.

We used to have military service but that path is not without problems of its own.

Re: How a Danish Town Helped Young Muslims Turn Away from ISIS

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Post by noobermin »

digi_owl wrote: post #27
jacquesm wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not going to like it, and it's not much of a solution anyway. Time. Many generations and quite possibly civil war or outright war between nation states. Humanity does not have a very good track record when it comes to learning from the past, so we are set to repeat history a couple of more times before we get it right. Let's hope I'm wrong about this, but the rate at which all the stable parts of the world are…

A interesting proverb, as it fits economics just as well as meteorology.

Are you being sarcastic? I've never heard that it applies to demographic movements.

Re: How a Danish Town Helped Young Muslims Turn Away from ISIS

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Post by noobermin »

jomamaxx wrote: post #33
HappyFunGuy wrote: post #28

Hey anyone know if muslim population correlate with terror attacks, and if so, is it causative?

You're probably downvoted because of the difficulty some people have when the facts might possibly contradict their ideological motivations. It's a problem across the political spectrum. Nobody wants to know the truth. They want to push their narrative.

It probably is a part of it but it's most likely because such heavily sarcastic comments that do not add to the discussion are usually down-voted, regardless of whether they should be taken seriously or not. Such is the standard on HN. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume since they are a newer user they don't know this.

Re: How a Danish Town Helped Young Muslims Turn Away from ISIS

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Post by jomamaxx »

oldboyFX wrote: post #23
HappyFunGuy wrote: post #19

This is a story about Somali Jamal in Denmark, who planned to join ISIS with his friends. But a cop called him, and apologized for uh.., thinking he might be a threat. So Jamal uh, changes his mind, but two of his buddies don't and die in Syria. So if you hug a terrorist, he might not want to kill you as much, maybe. You know who doesn't have this terrorist hugging problem? Japan.

It's because they're racist. Do you want to be racist like Japan or get BTFO'd? That's what I thought! edit: It's a (bad) joke.

"It's because they're racist. "

Funny, Japan doesn't have a terrorism problem.

Re: How a Danish Town Helped Young Muslims Turn Away from ISIS

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Post by noobermin »

calibraxis wrote: post #17
douche wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead, we have people like that selling out to corrupt career politicians who can't say two sentences without lying through their teeth.

I get the impression that Jeremy Corbyn (in the UK) is much better than Bernie Sanders at helping build grassroots organizations that hopefully persist without him. I heard Bernie Sanders compared with Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition, whose energy & commitment faded away after Jackson wasn't elected. Same with Ralph Nader, apparently.

It is a little too early to discount Sanders. Just because the media buzz around him isn't as strong doesn't mean many still don't respect him and he doesn't have influence amongst his supporters before he endorsed Clinton.

Re: How a Danish Town Helped Young Muslims Turn Away from ISIS

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Post by jacquesm »

ta4bs wrote: post #31
ameen wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solution is organic development of a nation. Assad was an imposed ruler. The kept growing in power until he felt he could equate himself with God. He has killed far more than Daesh can ever hope to. The Iraq invasion was a major debacle as well. A functioning state (although a hostile one to the US) was invaded and it's societal structures torn down. A power vaccum in Iraq and civil war in a neighboring country were…

> Solution is organic development of a nation. check: does this include arming of dissidents by foreign powers? > Assad was an imposed ruler. The kept growing in power until he felt he could equate himself with God. check: need just /one/ citation for this assertion. > He has killed far more than Daesh can ever hope to. check: need just /one/ citation for this assertion.

> Assad was an imposed ruler.

He succeeded his father, and his father was one of the original coup members:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_Syrian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

Quite a messy page in history, I don't think it is fair to say he was 'imposed'.

> He has killed far more than Daesh can ever hope to.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/islamic-state-has-kille...

Hope that works for you.

Re: How a Danish Town Helped Young Muslims Turn Away from ISIS

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Post by jsnk »

oldboyFX wrote: post #23
HappyFunGuy wrote: post #19

This is a story about Somali Jamal in Denmark, who planned to join ISIS with his friends. But a cop called him, and apologized for uh.., thinking he might be a threat. So Jamal uh, changes his mind, but two of his buddies don't and die in Syria. So if you hug a terrorist, he might not want to kill you as much, maybe. You know who doesn't have this terrorist hugging problem? Japan.

It's because they're racist. Do you want to be racist like Japan or get BTFO'd? That's what I thought! edit: It's a (bad) joke.

Did you just make a blanket statement that Japan is racist? That's really racist.
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