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Re: Cyberpower crushes coup

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Post by sremani »

johnchristopher wrote: post #17
sremani wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a theory that Erdogan was aware of something like this and was prepared, let the military faction walk into honeytrap. Its a theory, but the purges that will happen in turkey, god bless them!

That's a very complicated honey trap to set up. And it's a failure on both the accounts that elected leaders should protect its people before things escalate and secondly elected leaders aren't supposed to set up trap like this in the first place.

Leaders democratically elected or otherwise are people seeking power, in general the democratic leaders do not cross a line, but Erdogan has proven he is not your "normal" elected leader.

Nobody benefits from a failed coup like Erdogan, he now has the license to make Military in his image and the last pillar of secularism in Turkey is Kaput!

Re: Cyberpower crushes coup

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Post by jacobush »

johnchristopher wrote: post #17
sremani wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a theory that Erdogan was aware of something like this and was prepared, let the military faction walk into honeytrap. Its a theory, but the purges that will happen in turkey, god bless them!

That's a very complicated honey trap to set up. And it's a failure on both the accounts that elected leaders should protect its people before things escalate and secondly elected leaders aren't supposed to set up trap like this in the first place.

I'm probably lacking in imagination, but I don't understand why it has to be complicated. Under the right circumstances, it would just entail to NOT act upon intelligence about an impending coup attempt? Just check that you have support from other key parts of the military, then wait.

To engineer something like that, yes, that sounds very complicated. But to see an opportunity rise and grab it, does not sound impossible. It's plausible, I'd say. I look forward to watch the documentary in 30 years... ?

Re: Cyberpower crushes coup

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Post by DanielBMarkham »

In the age of the internet, you can't simply act when the leaders are outside the country. It's far too easy to rouse the populace from wherever you are. You have to have physical possession of the political leadership -- ideally the top 3-5 people (as many top folks as the average person could easily identify with)

For a NATO-trained military, this was a horrible coup. It was so bad that I seriously wonder if it's not a false flag operation. I doubt it, but I wonder.

The NATO allies have a real mess on their hands. If the people of Turkey truly support an endless reign of a single party that's slowly causing more and more destabilization in the region, and is purging the courts and military of educated, secular actors? This is about as bad as it gets long-term. Turkey is slowly ditching Attaturk.

Oddly, because of the coup failure, assuming we have a Chavez-style "democracy" now, the only recourse for social change is assassination. So there'll be a bloody purge, and then social change, when it does happen (from either outside or inside factors), will be much more bloody than this simple coup this time around would have been.

This is all kinds of bad. Very sad for the people of Turkey.

Re: Cyberpower crushes coup

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Post by calibraxis »

powertower wrote: post #6

Some political analysts are saying that this coup was staged by Erdogan to get rid of the remaining opposition. Basically the theory is that there was a very weak plan in effect that the government knew about, and helped move it along (to get it started). While being completely prepared to deal with it. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-16/erdogans-counter-co...

Another possibility is "he was about to do a mass purge of military & judges, & some of the military revolted in desperation". (https://twitter.com/davidgraeber/status/754417469641617412)

Could also be a hybrid: anyone in power in Turkey who pisses off enough people would expect a coup at any point, and therefore not only protect against it, but have a few ideas on how to greatly benefit. Like Saddam Hussein after failed coups.

Re: Cyberpower crushes coup

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Post by douche »

Ataturk must be rolling over in his grave. It's a damned shame that the coup didn't succeed - Turkey has been one of the few reasonably successful Muslim countries at Westernizing, brought about because of the colossal failures of the old Ottoman Empire. Erdogan's backsliding into the same theocratic-tinged islamist government is especially troubling for a NATO member, and one that is slated to join the EU eventually.

Re: Cyberpower crushes coup

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Post by Pica_soO »

CommanderData wrote: post #12
JPKab wrote: post #3

Very interesting write-up. My concern with this coup is that the results of it failing are going to be worse for the Turkish people than if it had succeeded. https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4t4ke5/pro_erdogan_is...

My Turkish friend told me the Turks have been aware of attempts of destabilize their country. It was mostly the general population that came out and stopped the military coup. The Turks don't want another Syria or Libia where western backed rebels have made those places no-go countries. Turkey at least has a very friendly and thriving tourism eco system.

Yet they voted the same type of guy/party who ru(i)ned syria or libia to power?

And enough of that evil western/jew outsiders scapegoats conspiracy theory's to avoid the realization that a whole culture produces failing governments on a regular basis.

Those rebels are mainly backed up by local powers- Saudi arabia, Iran and yes turkey.

Something in these cultures is unable to keep institutions and democracy alive. And the scapegoats all sound so old, shall i list them? The western media, decadence, capitalism, socialism, christianity, judaism, budhism, sports, TV, music, the internet the list of evildoers is endless. They where all eliminated in experiments, and the evidence is there, that they are not the things holding these societys back.

Why not for once, own these mistakes and realize all those creepy crawly's from outside are just fleas biting a already diseased dog.

And yes, its everywhere the same symptom, in every country that becomes islamic. And the deflection-method that the social reality produced by a cultural system are not connected to the very system, has gone out of the window too by the way.

Here is the question wanting a answer:

What in these culturs undermines institutions to work correctly?

What destroys the ability of judges to oppose governments?

What creates this wish to go back towards a perfect time- and time where the lack of modern medicine would have killed half of those wishing back to these times?

What undermines the concept of a human live being sacred?

I hate cheering for the military here, but they released turkey back into democracy several times. Islamic dictators did this nowhere.

Re: Cyberpower crushes coup

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Post by [deleted] »

CommanderData wrote: post #12
JPKab wrote: post #3

Very interesting write-up. My concern with this coup is that the results of it failing are going to be worse for the Turkish people than if it had succeeded. https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4t4ke5/pro_erdogan_is...

My Turkish friend told me the Turks have been aware of attempts of destabilize their country. It was mostly the general population that came out and stopped the military coup. The Turks don't want another Syria or Libia where western backed rebels have made those places no-go countries. Turkey at least has a very friendly and thriving tourism eco system.

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Re: Cyberpower crushes coup

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Post by CommanderData »

sremani wrote: post #14
JPKab wrote: post #3

Very interesting write-up. My concern with this coup is that the results of it failing are going to be worse for the Turkish people than if it had succeeded. https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4t4ke5/pro_erdogan_is...

There is a theory that Erdogan was aware of something like this and was prepared, let the military faction walk into honeytrap. Its a theory, but the purges that will happen in turkey, god bless them!

The general feeling on reddit seems to be of pro-coup. However many have highlighted that coups are long processes and haven't been positive in the long run at least in the middle east.

Re: Cyberpower crushes coup

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Post by codecamper »

T0T0R0 wrote: post #4

Cutting power? Hmmm, not so much. Batteries, generators and wi-fi, coupled with low-power operation modes for modern equipment, are going to be a quick answer to that strategy. Cutting power will buy less than a week of opportunity, and piss off LOTS of other ordinarily unmotivated, apolitical people.

solar power?

Re: Cyberpower crushes coup

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Post by iofj »

CommanderData wrote: post #28
sremani wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a theory that Erdogan was aware of something like this and was prepared, let the military faction walk into honeytrap. Its a theory, but the purges that will happen in turkey, god bless them!

The general feeling on reddit seems to be of pro-coup. However many have highlighted that coups are long processes and haven't been positive in the long run at least in the middle east.

But in Turkey they have. In fact historians generally credit Turkish military coups with creating the Turkish state in the first place, as opposed to another failed and despicable muslim theocracy like happened everywhere else in that neighbourhood.
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