My son was just recently diagnosed type 1 about 4 months ago (exactly on his 1st birthday, shitty birthday). Unfortunately, we live in Vietnam where access to even basics like pumps, let alone CGM, is non-existant, or incredibly hard. We had to fly to Singapore to get a pump, and then fly back every three months to get new supplies. CGM is a pipe dream. One thing this article doesn't touch on, which is unfortunate, i…
Sorry to hear about your son! Hopefully your son wasn't in ketoacidosis by the time he was diagnosed, and the initial days were just training and not ICU. My own experience with using the Dexcom G4 CGM with my 1-year old son was extremely negative. First, it was terrible to insert the sensor -- it is a clunky mechanism which would sometimes fail and leave you with a worthless sensor, and at best would leave your chil…
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#42Open question - What is the actual cost of living with Diabetes type 1 in the US with a good health insurance? The reason I am asking is I have a 10-year old son with type 1 and we are thinking of moving to US (from Sweden) and would like to estimate the actual cost of living with diabetes in the US in order to make a real life calculation of what it would actually cost us per month. Any tips would be appreciated - i…
Or if you are buying your own plan through the ACA, the cost will depend primarily on your family income. The unsubsidized cost depends on zip code, sex, age, and whether you smoke tobacco, but assume $300 per month per adult, $150 per month per child. The subsidies which reduce the cost of premiums and also out-of-pocket costs, they start at effectively 100% if you earn $0, and phase out as your family income goes up to about $80,000.
Once you've paid the premiums, then you start paying for the care you use in terms of deductibles, co-pays, co-insurance, up to some annual out-of-pocket maximum. The details depend on the plan, but the basic rule is you can pay more premiums and your out-of-pocket maximums will decrease. But, doing the math, you can rarely "save" month by paying more in premiums for lower maximums, even if you know you will max it out, since insurers know that it's mostly sick people who will opt for the higher premiums in the first place. But it is convenient to only have to send one check a month, instead of constantly writing checks for every script, appointment, etc.
If your co-pay is, let's say, $25, expect to be paying that amount ~15x every 3 months for T1D. Everything is it's own script (blood strips, ketone strips, needles, glycogon, insulin, lancets, etc.) so you get hit with a lot of individual $25 co-pays, although they are not all being filled every month.
If you end up having to go to the ER after a particularly bad low, expect that could max out your out-of-pocket expenses for the rest of the year. So keep an eye on that annual out-of-pocket maximum, which typically will be $5,000 - $7,500. After you hit that maximum, all other benefits are paid 100% by insurance. For a particularly bad year, it helps to note, the family maximum annual out-of-pocket will be 2x the individual maximum.
Another factor is if you want to use the latest tech (CGM, Pods) your insurance likely will cover it, but not always, and there's probably a 20% "durable equipment" co-pay (which counts toward your maximum). This can increase costs for a year you are buying new expensive equipment to get started.
If you are getting insurance through work, and you lose your job, you are allowed to continue paying the full share of the premiums and keep your insurance, through a program called COBRA. That's worth it especially if you've maxed out your out-of-pocket and there are a few months left in the year where you can get 100% coverage. Otherwise, it's usually cheaper to switch to an ACA plan.
Bottom line, fully un-subsidized insurance costs for a family actually using the benefits (paying most if not all of the out-of-pocket maximums) are between $20k - $30k per year. Most Americans don't realize this because the ~$15k premiums are part of their pay package but don't really show up clearly on the pay stub.
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#43My son was just recently diagnosed type 1 about 4 months ago (exactly on his 1st birthday, shitty birthday). Unfortunately, we live in Vietnam where access to even basics like pumps, let alone CGM, is non-existant, or incredibly hard. We had to fly to Singapore to get a pump, and then fly back every three months to get new supplies. CGM is a pipe dream. One thing this article doesn't touch on, which is unfortunate, i…
Sorry to hear about your son! Hopefully your son wasn't in ketoacidosis by the time he was diagnosed, and the initial days were just training and not ICU. My own experience with using the Dexcom G4 CGM with my 1-year old son was extremely negative. First, it was terrible to insert the sensor -- it is a clunky mechanism which would sometimes fail and leave you with a worthless sensor, and at best would leave your chil…
technology is very helpful but for the most part it can not perform any functions 100%.
step one for type one diabetic is routine and diet. yes this is boring but very important. a good solid start in diabetic training would take 100 hours. that is to start and with a good trainer and a good patient. as a pharmacist i like to stay with the old technology for now. insulin pump for basil rate. or use insulin pens long acting agent for basil rate and a short acting for meals. test ye old finger prick and glucose meter. i focus on routine to get consistent glucose levels. develope 10 standard meals to start. 10 brk. 10 lunch. 10 dinner. understanding the glycemic index is key to consistent glucose levels. have to understand carbs and how they are absorbed and avoid high glycemic items b/c those will spike and then drop glucose levels. now this child is very young but older diabetics, alcohol can wreak havoc on glucose levels. next want about 1/3 1/3 1/3 carbs/protein/fat and fiber. example 8oz buckwheat/80z salmon/ 8oz broccoli seems simple and we all talk about a balanced diet but the reason its important is the carbs/protein/fat all get absorbed and metabolised at different rates so this gives the body a sustained level of calories that are digested over a period of hours. there are a 100 important factors i could talk about but the glycemic index and 1/3 ratio and dont exceed 600-800 cal per meal might help some people get started.
just as an aside i have had patients that were motivated, educated diabetics and after a year or two of working with them they could go a week without testing and stay in the 100-150 range. diet, routine, and understanding how and what your body metabolizes are very important.
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Sorry to hear about your son! Hopefully your son wasn't in ketoacidosis by the time he was diagnosed, and the initial days were just training and not ICU. My own experience with using the Dexcom G4 CGM with my 1-year old son was extremely negative. First, it was terrible to insert the sensor -- it is a clunky mechanism which would sometimes fail and leave you with a worthless sensor, and at best would leave your chil…
Not sure if you know this or not, but Dexcom will replace sensors that do not last the full 7-days. Whenever I have one that falls off, I call customer service and they sent out a replacement.
I had a particularly bad experience with the G4 CGM. I know that some people do actually really like the device. I don't know if it's that my kids are stick-thin and consequently don't have many good insertion points, so the sensor would more likely than not be in muscle tissue, or any number of other possible reasons... But I spent much more time cursing Dexcom's name and holding back the desire to throw the damn thing across the room than actually reading useful data.
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If I wanted to get something like this setup for a homeless person... what would I need to do?
The biggest problem is going to be expense, followed by reliability and power when out-and-about. I'm not sure where you are, but in the USA compatible pumps probably start at around $1,000. That doesn't include the monthly cost of the CGMS sensors, which is also significant. If you're in a country with universal healthcare, and the healthcare provider is willing to cover the CGMS sensors you might have success. (Som…
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Also not an MD (yet) so grain of salt, but from my experience: Yeah, D50 is a more direct way to get glucose into the blood stream. It does take a lot more time to mobilize liver stores of glycogen. But using glycogen stores isn't necessarily bad for you metabolically. Glucagon is used by your body everyday during periods of fasting between meals to maintain a minimum blood sugar. Your glycogen stores can supply enou…
We agree on the metabolic reasoning! I freely admit that 98% of my experience with diabetes has been in the field dealing with hypo or hyperglycemic patients. Obviously, we are talking about diabetics that aren't the most compliant with their disease. However, even "good" diabetics have bad runs with questionable supplies, or any host of issues (sickness, environment, diet change, etc.) I happen to live where a very,…
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also not an MD (yet) so grain of salt, but from my experience: Yeah, D50 is a more direct way to get glucose into the blood stream. It does take a lot more time to mobilize liver stores of glycogen. But using glycogen stores isn't necessarily bad for you metabolically. Glucagon is used by your body everyday during periods of fasting between meals to maintain a minimum blood sugar. Your glycogen stores can supply enou…
I've had type 1 for nearly 10 years, after 4-5 years I think my body stopped producing glycogen. That's why I am super-alert for lows. The constant fear of trying to catch if you're low is exhausting. Especially when a diabetic like me goes through sad phases, can't get enough sleep etc. The main symptom of being low is dizziness, and if you're blood sugar levels are not in control you always feel that diziness. I've…
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It seems relatively defendable - it is far, far more dangerous than many prescription only drugs (eg: birth control), and most people will not be able to work out how much they need without seeing a doctor first.
My understanding is that Dana Lewis developed the pre-cursors to OpenAPS because she had to perform dosage calculations several times a day. Often this was in the middle of the night. And getting it wrong could be fatal. Going further, the calculations are rule of thumb and generic and each person has to make adjustments based on intuitions about their metabolism, what they ate, what they plan to eat, what activity t…
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems relatively defendable - it is far, far more dangerous than many prescription only drugs (eg: birth control), and most people will not be able to work out how much they need without seeing a doctor first.
My understanding is that Dana Lewis developed the pre-cursors to OpenAPS because she had to perform dosage calculations several times a day. Often this was in the middle of the night. And getting it wrong could be fatal. Going further, the calculations are rule of thumb and generic and each person has to make adjustments based on intuitions about their metabolism, what they ate, what they plan to eat, what activity t…
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry to hear about your son! Hopefully your son wasn't in ketoacidosis by the time he was diagnosed, and the initial days were just training and not ICU. My own experience with using the Dexcom G4 CGM with my 1-year old son was extremely negative. First, it was terrible to insert the sensor -- it is a clunky mechanism which would sometimes fail and leave you with a worthless sensor, and at best would leave your chil…
you mention some good issues and concerns. technology is very helpful but for the most part it can not perform any functions 100%. step one for type one diabetic is routine and diet. yes this is boring but very important. a good solid start in diabetic training would take 100 hours. that is to start and with a good trainer and a good patient. as a pharmacist i like to stay with the old technology for now. insulin pum…
Clearly there are different phases to the disease. There is no amount of testing, diet, and routine that will keep my 4 year old within 100-150 range for 24 hours straight, let alone a week. Yesterday I saw him fall from 423 to 72 in 45 minutes with no bolus and only .25 units IOB. Activity level alone doesn't explain it, and the doctors even at Joslin Diabetes Center are not particular great.
For example, a couple months back my son was having persistent lows even after what we were certain were accurate tests and dosing. We called to discuss adjusting carb ratios, and they tried to tell us to go from 1 unit for 30grams to 1 unit for 25 grams. It took 30 minutes on the phone to explain they were telling us to go the wrong way. We ended up going all the way up to 1 unit for 60 grams to stop the lows that week, and then gradually brought it back down to 1 unit for 30 over the next month. Was it a virus? Growth spurt? No idea...
Another common occurrence, testing before dinner and being in range, dosing 18 carbs for a meal of chicken, broccoli, and peas, testing before bed and seeing slightly above range but with IOB (insulin on board, meaning he's still burning through insulin that was previously dosed) and the calculations saying he should end up near a 150 target. Then test again 2 hours later (e.g. 10pm) when he's at 0 IOB, and some days he's at 420, other days 60. Same meal, same portion sizes, etc.
We've also had "fun" watching blood sugar plummet in the middle of the night even with 0 IOB and the basal fully suspended. How can blood sugar fall below 60 while he's sleeping with zero basal insulin AND zero bolus insulin in his system whatsoever? Haven't heard a good answer to that one yet...
The point is, T1D for kids means constant vigilance, make no assumptions, don't trust numbers from a doctor you don't understand and agree with, and be ready to question and adjust expectations month-to-month.